NXN departing Portland Meadows

Portland Meadows was a golf course as well.

I hope the golf course management has seen how Portland Meadows course ends up after NXN.

I would have chosen Ft Vancouver

mundus vult wrote:

Portland Meadows was a golf course as well.

I believe Portland Meadows is a race track - see

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dkny64 wrote:

I believe Portland Meadows is a race track - see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_Meadows

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With a 9 hole golf course in the in-field where the XC race was held.

My point(s) being that putting an XC race on a "golf course" doesn't mean much to me. The race is still in Portland so the problematic weather won't change. Most golf courses drain better than Portland Meadows (unless they are also situated in a Meadow).

All that said, I never had an issue with the course although I know there have been some legitimate concerns.

The golf course at Portland Meadows closed 3 years ago, which meant they stopped grooming the infield.

mundus vult wrote:

The race is still in Portland so the problematic weather won't change. Most golf courses drain better than Portland Meadows (unless they are also situated in a Meadow).

I don't view rain or mud as problematic for cross country.

Why doesn't Nike they hold it on their World Campus?

yuiop wrote:

I don't view rain or mud as problematic for cross country.

As I said, I never had a problem with the course.

There have been several years when I think the weather has been problematic.

I understand the "it is cross country just deal with it" mindset but, at some point, that argument reaches its logical endpoint for me.

The average weather in Portland in December is a high of 45 degrees, a low of 36 and the highest monthly rainfall of their year (almost 7 inches). I think those weather conditions generally suit runners from certain areas.

That's my only complaint with NXN nationals.

mundus vult wrote:

yuiop wrote:

I don't view rain or mud as problematic for cross country.

As I said, I never had a problem with the course.

There have been several years when I think the weather has been problematic.

I understand the "it is cross country just deal with it" mindset but, at some point, that argument reaches its logical endpoint for me.

The average weather in Portland in December is a high of 45 degrees, a low of 36 and the highest monthly rainfall of their year (almost 7 inches). I think those weather conditions generally suit runners from certain areas.

That's my only complaint with NXN nationals.

I would argue that 70 degree temperature in December would benefit runners from certain areas of the country more than 40 degree weather would hurt others. And, yes, we could find something in the middle, but logistically it makes sense for Nike to hold the event in Portland.

yuiop wrote:

I would argue that 70 degree temperature in December would benefit runners from certain areas of the country more than 40 degree weather would hurt others. And, yes, we could find something in the middle, but logistically it makes sense for Nike to hold the event in Portland.

Agree. I am a long-time, persistent critic of the other meet in San Diego especially in the way Max Mayo comes on the boards and bashes NXN with the same tired talking points every year.

I would appreciate some middle ground for the National Championship. But, yes Nike gets to show off their spectacular campus.

Has to be at least partially due to all of the blasting of Portland Meadows in FL vs NXN debates.

Glendoveer should be a nice venue. They have a good two-mile woodchip loop around the perimeter for warming up and cooling down.

Why does the course overlap at the end instead of early on, when the pack is much less spread out? Is there a chance that some runners in the back will be a half mile behind the leaders and get in the way of the lead pack coming through to the finish? Who designed the course? Seems like it could have been done much better...

imarunr wrote:

Glendoveer should be a nice venue. They have a good two-mile woodchip loop around the perimeter for warming up and cooling down.

Glendoveer is in a terrible part of town. There isn't a glamorous location in Portland but holding it outer east Portland is not an improvement over Portland Meadows.

I agree that fort Vancouver is the best option

I don't see how the surrounding neighborhood is going to effect the quality of the race/event.

yuiop wrote:

I don't see how the surrounding neighborhood is going to effect the quality of the race/event.

When you take a date to dinner do you go to Applebee's in the suburbs while wearing jeans and running shoes or do you dress up and go to your town's Restaurant of the Year?

If you want to impress the high school demographic with the Nike brand you do not go east of the Alameda neighborhood.

yuiop wrote:

I don't see how the surrounding neighborhood is going to effect the quality of the race/event.

Go Scots and Broncos!

Blue Lake Park.