To fix education in the United States, we need to spend more money on it

Proud Obama Voter wrote:

It's a shame that we spend more on the military than on education. We need to pay teachers more, give kids better textbooks and better facilities.

Wrong on so many levels. You can't throw money at your problems and expect it to get better. it's a quality control thing. Biggest problem is tenured teachers that get lazy because they have no fear of losing their jobs. The school system suffers and the kids do while they get paid for borderline work.

Look at the teacher strike in Chicago. 70k+ a year, and strike anyway? Those are some of the most higly paid teachers in the nation.

An aircraft carrier costs an insane amount to keep maintained for a year, that's without it loading up with people to do a tour. That's just to keep it running & the lights on. Go figure out why some things costs as much as they do before you make wild statements as to why we should buy 400billion in pencils pens & cork boards than UAVs, nuclear arms, & a vast amounts of aircraft & war ships. I'm glad morons like you don't even run a McDonalds. Dope.

The same way people are proud Bush voters?

Biggest problem is NOT tenured teachers that get lazy. If your dumb ass would go to schools around the country and ask students what teachers are lazy and should be fired, you'd find the same percentage as if you went and asked public employees about their coworkers.

Laziness is a real overhead in any profession. Do you have lazy coworkers? I do. And they aren't tenured, and they aren't getting fired either. Not a problem, it's a reality that every business deals with...even the military. Especially the military!

Keeping a carrier running is a big expense. And I've been on a carrier, and during one of my meals in the ward room, some of the officers were debating the usefulness of carriers in our modern warfare. We've already seen battleships retired because they were obsolete. But the military budget keeps going up every year. The biggest problem there isn't laziness, it's bureaucracy.

Are You Stupid wrote:

No kidding kids in your neighborhood do well. You are all rich and have the means to be there with a parent home all the time to help.

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You are the picture of what is wrong in the US.

Huh?

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

R U R U Really? wrote:

OK, so I see that you really are that stupid and it wasn't just an act.

My condolences.

Insults and an inability to counter an argument are the signs of someone without a leg to stand on. I accept your surrender.

So, you accept that which doesn't exist thereby verifying your IQ of zero.

Got it.

The problem lies within property taxes, plain and simple. Rich suburban neighborhoods are taxed greatly, thus allocating money into the districts school. Places like the blackbelt south in America are structurally inferior due to deteriorating infrastructure (just like Detroit) and the government has simply given up on any federal funding in areas with poverty and racism. There will always be an immense gap between suburban/private schools and poor schools that could easily be fixed by throwing money at it.

The problem lies within property taxes, plain and simple. Rich suburban neighborhoods are taxed greatly, thus allocating money into the districts school. Places like the blackbelt south in America are structurally inferior due to deteriorating infrastructure (just like Detroit) and the government has simply given up on any federal funding in areas with poverty and racism. There will always be an immense gap between suburban/private schools and poor schools that could easily be fixed by throwing money at it.

that could not be fixed by simply throwing money at it* there are way too many dimensions in such a social issue to allow such a quick fix to turn it around.

Pay teachers more and make more tests written rather than multiple choice. This will increase understanding of the material and teach kids how to use their brains rather than guessing.

Biologically its difficult for a teenager to fall asleep before 11 and wake up before 8. All the districts that have moved to later start times have experienced better grades, lower numbers of tardys, and more involved teenagers. This past Monday the academy of american pediatrics also pushed for later start times because the evidence is overwhelming that it benefits teens.

http://m.pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/08/19/peds.2014-1697

Check out the USA today's editorial. They link to that and to a study done at the University of Minnesota that also shows the benefits. But hey, its just scientific research, I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is fine too.

Are You........... wrote:

we need better education here in the US but any money should be spent on a longer school day. More learning, more supervised time doing school work and less time sitting at home playing video games. Cutting back summer vacations to somewhere between 30 and 60 days. The first month of the school year for most kids is relearning from previous year. The US has the shortest school year in developed world. One hour of mandatory physical education where real exercise takes place. Think the need for this is self evident.

Lastly far more vocational skills training. Not everyone needs to go to college but real work skills are in demand and in our current corporate world future employees have to come with the skills. Corporations are not going to teach anyone anything.

^ This.

R U R U Really? wrote:

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

Insults and an inability to counter an argument are the signs of someone without a leg to stand on. I accept your surrender.

So, you accept that which doesn't exist thereby verifying your IQ of zero.

Got it.

You just proved my point. Thanks for that.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

R U R U Really? wrote:

So, you accept that which doesn't exist thereby verifying your IQ of zero.

Got it.

You just proved my point. Thanks for that.

No, not really. Just pointing out the fact that your IQ is zero (at least by all appearances). Sorry if the reality of you is something that you consider to be insulting. That must really suck.

I can't buy into a later start to the school day as a solution. All over the world young people get up early and either go to school or work. How many young people in this country had to get up early help with chores and then go to school? Somehow they made it work. How many of you 2 a day runners got up early, ran, and then went to school? I bet you weren't texting and playing video games until 2 and 3 AM like many of the students in the HS where i work.

The problem isn't tenure either. Not as many teachers as you think are burnt out and or lazy.

It's absolutely disgusting when you examine how low the functional literacy scores are for Americans today in comparison to other nations.

I would suggest legislation mandating public school teachers receive the identical package of salary plus overtime and benefits as public first responders.

No correlation between better education and money. Look at ACT/SAT scores by state. The lower test scores by states actually receive more funding. Opportunity yes but doesn't equal better education. Our problem is we educate the masses which isn't possible. Good idea but not possible.

R U R U Really? wrote:

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

You just proved my point. Thanks for that.

No, not really. Just pointing out the fact that your IQ is zero (at least by all appearances). Sorry if the reality of you is something that you consider to be insulting. That must really suck.

You are the gift that keeps on giving.

late start times equal better wrote:

Biologically its difficult for a teenager to fall asleep before 11 and wake up before 8. All the districts that have moved to later start times have experienced better grades, lower numbers of tardys, and more involved teenagers. This past Monday the academy of american pediatrics also pushed for later start times because the evidence is overwhelming that it benefits teens.

http://m.pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/08/19/peds.2014-1697

Check out the USA today's editorial. They link to that and to a study done at the University of Minnesota that also shows the benefits. But hey, its just scientific research, I'm sure your anecdotal evidence is fine too.

Thanks for the link. I'm not arguing against more sleep...just that students can get more now simply by going to bed earlier. That has the added benefit of not disrupting after school activities which a later start would do.

If you have so etching to support the 11-8 thing, I'd love to see it.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

If you have so etching to support the 11-8 thing, I'd love to see it.

I too would like to see an etching that supports "the 11-8 thing." I usually read scientific journals, and a good cave etching would really be a nice change of pace every once in a while. Y'know, just as a reminder of simpler times.