4.2% growth in 2nd quarter - thank you Mr. Obama

ouoiunj wrote:

Obama here wrote:

Relations with EVERY country are worse under my presidency and we are on the verge of WWIII but who cares I'll just go play more golf and incite more racism if anyone challenges me.

Yeah, I'm interested too. How are relations any worse than when Bush left? How are we on the verge of WWIII?

I'm an American and I traveled a lot during the 1990s and 2000s. Before Bush, I felt welcomed everywhere. Everyone wanted to be an American. Everyone wanted to talk to me.

During Bush's presidency, I felt despised in most places that I went. Americans were reviled. I think people in other countries felt really betrayed. They thought we were this great beacon of hope and opportunity. They cried for us on 9/11. Then they saw our government start torturing people, start invading countries on slim pretexts; they saw us abandon our position as a beacon of hope, opportunity and freedom in the world.

Heck, the world was so scared of how Bush transformed the greatest country in the world into that nightmare, that they gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize just for being a president that wouldn't be George W. Bush. Think about that. They were so terrified that Bush was going to destroy the world and its greatest nation (from the inside) that simply replacing him was the greatest accomplishment they could think of.

Nowadays, it's easier to travel abroad. Since Obama was elected, people smile at Americans again. They still believe, albeit more cautiously, that America can be a force for good in the world. President Obama has a lot to answer for too. And just by being the most powerful nation in the world, it's inevitable that some people in the world are going to be pissed off at us. But things are better. They've seen what we do when we're scared, though. The world will never look at us quite the same again.

+1 nice, thoughtful post

Europeans loved FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton and Obama.

I'm damned if I can see anything in common.

Like you have proposed solutions or are you just going to parrot everything the Obama administration has done like it it perfect?

nuttin2c wrote:

Roy D. Mercer wrote:

and the debt is only $17T+ not including unfunded liabilities totaling several times that number. Good thing we got all those shovels ready back when the "stimulus" was funded by a mortgage on our kid's future. At least we're still buying groceries for 45+ million Americans on food stamps while the Middle East & North Africa are on fire. Happy times are here again. Thank you Mullah Obama!

I would love, LOVE to read your proposed solutions.

Roy D. Mercer wrote:

and the debt is only $17T+ not including unfunded liabilities totaling several times that number. Good thing we got all those shovels ready back when the "stimulus" was funded by a mortgage on our kid's future. At least we're still buying groceries for 45+ million Americans on food stamps while the Middle East & North Africa are on fire. Happy times are here again. Thank you Mullah Obama!

So, your solution is to what? Increase spending? We're in debt and the president has proposed that we lower the deficit and we lowered the deficit and you're saying what? That we shouldn't lower the deficit?

In case you wanted to know (starting with Roosevelt):

Roosevelt: 1,048% debt increase

Truman: 3% increase

Eisenhower: 9% increase

Kennedy: 8% increase

Johnson: 13% increase

Nixon: 34% increase

Ford: 47% increase

Carter: 43% increase

Reagan: 186% increase

Bush I: 54% increase

Clinton: 32% increase

Bush II: 101% increase

Obama: 44% increase

get used to it. wrote:

Like you have proposed solutions or are you just going to parrot everything the Obama administration has done like it it perfect?

nuttin2c wrote:

I would love, LOVE to read your proposed solutions.

I'm not the one griping about the national debt, welfare, and middle east relations. You would think being irate about them would mean you have other ideas. But that's not your M.O., is it?

How about some hard evidence on way or the other rather than your preconceived notions about how people hate or like you based on how much you like or dislike our past and current presidents. You "felt" welcomed. Everyone wanted to talk to Me? LOL!You "felt" despised. American's "reviled". People "felt" betrayed. People "cried", people "saw".Now people "smile" at Americans again? Really? You think this might just be the passage of time since 911 when they feel like they can? Or maybe, just maybe, you disliked Bush so much you really want to see these things.What a joke.

there is no question that the world has a better view of America under Obama than it did under Bush 2. it's not even debatable. but the initial 'I love obama' honeymoon did end. http://www.factcheck.org/2014/03/romneys-reach-on-world-opinion-of-u-s/The Pew Global Attitudes Project conducts an annual international poll asking residents of other countries about their perceptions of America and its people. We couldn’t find any questions about “respect,” but Romney’s use of the word “admiration” matches up well with questions about U.S. favorability.The Pew surveys released in July 2013 — the latest available — found that “the ‘Obama bounce’ in the global stature of the United States experienced in 2009 is clearly a thing of the past.” Still, half or more of those surveyed in 2013 expressed a favorable opinion of the U.S. in 28 of the 38 nations polled. That’s markedly better than under Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush. In its 2008 poll, Pew found only nine of 23 nations polled reported half or more residents with a favorable opinion of the U.S.

from the same - amazing numbers showing how badly the world mistrusted Bush 2:

Part of the decline in U.S. favorability in recent years is due to the declining popularity of Obama internationally, Pew reported. Like favorability, international confidence in Obama is also declining, but remains high compared with Bush, Pew reported. For example, Britain’s “confidence” in Obama dropped to 72 percent in 2013, a 14 percentage point drop from 2009. But it was just 16 percent in 2008 under Bush. In Japan, the confidence measure dropped from 85 percent to 70 percent between 2009 and 2013, but it was just 25 percent in 2008 under Bush.

Obama is an incompetent narcissistic imperialist destroying our country.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3752487563001/mark-levin-on-how-obama-is-destroying-congress/#sp=show-clips

I WANT MY RECESSION BACK!

There is a huge difference between polls showing attitudes and citizens treating Americans differently because of our government. At least you gave some data, eventhough it could be skewed, depending on which countries were polled, because our president is dark skinned. It could have absolutely nothing to do with anything either president did.

firsttimeonthisputer wrote:

Bush's recession continues to be overcome by Obama's policies. Post your thanks here.

Are you serious?

I said at the time, vote in an African president - and he will predictably act like the typical African head of state.

Spend-spend-spend.

On the day of his inauguration, our national debt was at an all-time record high of $10 trillion.

Now, it is $17.7 trillion.

ouoiunj wrote:

X-Runner wrote:

I guess it's good that your company has posted record profits.

Have they given record raises and bonuses to everyone or did they get their profits by keeping wages down?

Because a lot of companies have had nice gains by squeezing their employees.

Yes and no. Every quarter we have record sales - how that money is divided up I don't know. I know that we have grown as a company substantially over the last 3 years or so (probably around 15%). I would assume that those at the top are doing pretty well. Me? I have seen very little increase in my salary.

Increased sales is good - better than increased profits.

It means they should have more money to spend.

If their sales are growing while you have had little increase in salary, that's not so good.

And that's been a nationwide problem. Wages are stagnant and that doesn't matter much to GDP growth or employment numbers are other metrics that make the economy "look" good.

The growth over the last several years has mostly piled on income disparity.

And presidential policy can't do much about this.

So I don't know what Bush and Obama really have to do with it.

The best we can hope for is to get to really low unemployment where companies will be competing for employees and offering increased wages to get them.

Local governments around the country have really slashed jobs since 2008 and now those individuals are in the private sector pool fighting for jobs. And pay has frozen for many teachers and police officers and such. So they spend less.

We are moving in the right direction, though and at a steady pace.

Joe Doakes wrote:

firsttimeonthisputer wrote:

Bush's recession continues to be overcome by Obama's policies. Post your thanks here.

Are you serious?

I said at the time, vote in an African president - and he will predictably act like the typical African head of state.

Spend-spend-spend.

On the day of his inauguration, our national debt was at an all-time record high of $10 trillion.

Now, it is $17.7 trillion.

And what spend-spend-spend policies has Obama implemented that you are against and that led to the increased debt?

Joe Doakes wrote:

Are you serious?

I said at the time, vote in an African president - and he will predictably act like the typical African head of state.

Spend-spend-spend.

On the day of his inauguration, our national debt was at an all-time record high of $10 trillion.

Now, it is $17.7 trillion.

1) Obama isn't African. He's actually fully American, half black, half white, and if you must, African American. He is not "African".

2) The spend spend spend mantra is bogus. He has actually SHRUNK the federal government during his tenure. The big spending that had to occur helped to thwart the worst financial crisis in global history (according to Bernanke). A crisis and a Great Recession that started by the way under Bush. Of course Clinton handed Bush a surplus. Of course the KING of spending as a percentage of GDP is still Ronald Reagan by a LONG SHOT. The best fiscal conservatives in this country are liberal Democrats and have been since after FDR (and some would argue to include him).

3) If Obama were a Republican, conservatives would lift him up on their shoulders...the Great Recession ended under Obama, bin Laden was dispatched under Obama, the stock market has SOARED under Obama, the unemployment rate has improved almost 4 full points under Obama (got worse first but then has turned back around), auto makers saved, financial institutions saved, no more talks of nationalizing banks, and on and on. He's every bit as conservative as G.W. Bush was in every way except for perhaps Obamacare which as we know is an almost exact copy of Mitt Romney's plan in Mass; well, and Obama has turned on the gay marriage thing, but at this point, really, other than the Religious Right, who even cares about that anynmore.

You dislike Obama either because he's a Democrat or because he's black or some other non-political reason, because if you are a conservative and you dislike him, then you don't even understand your party's platform, because Obama is e very bit as conservative as just about all of them.

+1.

If Obama were a Republican, conservatives would lift him up on their shoulders...the Great Recession ended under Obama, bin Laden was dispatched under Obama, the stock market has SOARED under Obama, the unemployment rate has improved almost 4 full points under Obama (got worse first but then has turned back around), auto makers saved, financial institutions saved, no more talks of nationalizing banks, and on and on. He's every bit as conservative as G.W. Bush was in every way except for perhaps Obamacare which as we know is an almost exact copy of Mitt Romney's plan in Mass; well, and Obama has turned on the gay marriage thing, but at this point, really, other than the Religious Right, who even cares about that anynmore.

Wow. 1. It shouldn't have taken 6 years just to get back to pre-recession levels given the circumstances. 2. Bullshit! Obama held off on 6 different chances to catch Bin Laden before he actually pulled the trigger. Bush would have taken him out within hours of hearing about his compound. Ask anyone in a SOF like the men who took out Bin Laden how they feel about democratic presidents' military "policies", they'll give you an earfull. 3. Ever heard of a bull market? If things were as good as they looked, the Bureau of Economic Analysis wouldn't be putting a giant asterisk next to that GDP growth stat. But then again, what do you expect with the GOP poised to take congress and Obama almost gone.

4. Still worse than it was before, despite the spending. END OF STORY. 4. Umm...which one's? The only car manufacturers that were in real trouble are all screwed now anyway (how's chrysler doing again? Oh yeah). Obama made a point to "save" the car companies and banks, but the only people that believe he suceeded are the people who don't work in those industries. 5. That should be a given, but sadly it isn't.

Just cause the man doesn't spit socialist fairy dust and "hope" anymore doesn't mean he's conservative. If you're saying that he's fiscally conservative, well that kind of involves not delaying economic recovery at every chance he gets. The only way he's comparable to Bush is his desire to waste billions in the middle east, and don't you dare say that the new defense budget was his doing because its the exact opposite of the military policies he's been championing since 2008.