I am sick and tired of hearing how Vigil has never coached an american to a sub 2:10. I believe that Shay and Downin proved at New Haven that they are ready to roll. I think that both of them are capable of running a sub 2:10 on a flat fast course. So I predict that they will both run under 2:12 or faster than Briney or Sell have ever run. Both Downin and Shay have faster 10k pb's than anyone in the Hansons program and Vigil is a far superior coach. After this happens hopefully all of you Hanson kiss asses will admit that Vigil is "King of the marathon".