joho wrote:
My next vehicle will be something nice to replace my Toyota though.
How about a Toyota FT-1?
joho wrote:
My next vehicle will be something nice to replace my Toyota though.
How about a Toyota FT-1?
Car Lover wrote:
babr wrote:This is always such a fascinating mentality to me. In my mind, the big money for a car is money towards transportation. This is a necessity - isn't what you *want* simply a convenient form of transportation? There is a price floor for this necessity, and everything beyond that price floor is a luxury.
I view the cost as an average cost per year per mile - so the fuel economy and the longevity of the car really factor into the true cost. I'd rather not spend more than I need to on a car, because there are hundreds of things I'd rather spend my luxury money on than a car.
I suppose some people would rather drive a "fun" car than go on an extra/slightly better vacation a year, or go to nice restaurants a little more often, or being able to get the latest gadget when you want to. For most people, a budget is a fixed thing. I just want as little going towards "transportation" in my budget as reasonably possible.
If you're super rich, this all goes out the window.
Apparently you fail to realize that you can get cars that are more fun to drive for the same price as a camry/accord.
Also within each vehicle segment the standard brands are going to be very similar in price. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Mazda, Ford, Chevy, Chrystler, Dodge, VW, etc are all competing in the same price range.
I've been driving some type of Subaru vehicle for the past 10 years. They have AWD standard and do not cost more than an equivalent Honda/Toyota. I have never had a breakdown, and I enjoy the crap out of driving a car with a manual transmission and a turbo.
Price comes down to more than sticker price - that was my point with looking at average cost per year per mile. I have a Honda with well over 200,000 miles on it, and it still runs great. The only maintenance I need to do is oil/tires. My average cost per year per mile is dropping by the day. If you need to get a new car earlier, that effective cost is going to be much higher, even if the initial ticket price is comparable.
That's not to say that other cars don't/can't run well for long periods of time. It's just that the luck that my family has had with Honda, and their horror stories with other cars, is worth a lot to me. Every time I get my oil changed, the oil change workers comment on how many Honda's they see in the shop with over 200,000 miles - that's worth something to me too. That's all. I don't agree with the OPs condescending way he presented the question, but I do love Honda, and find the conversation quite interesting.
babr wrote:
joho wrote:You don't have to be super rich. Some people just have different priorities than you. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp.
I think people that stick with the bland Toyotas and Hondas don't realize the performance and comfort differences that come with the 'nicer' cars. You don't have to go to extremes and drop an extra $20,000 to get a nice vehicle either.
I have both a base model Toyota and a much nicer vehicle and both meet a different need. My next vehicle will be something nice to replace my Toyota though.
I didn't say it was a difficult concept to grasp, I said it was fascinating. We're of course all different, and have different priorities. That's fascinating and always cool to hear about.
The super rich part was talking about prioritization, and how you don't need to prioritize if you're super rich. That's all.
I'm not rich but do put a 'slightly' higher priority on driving a nice car. Hell, I know a lot of people that spend way more than they should on their vehicles to the point of being financially irresponsible. They just REALLY want to drive a nice car.
Of course being rich makes it easier to afford a much nicer car.
The OP, probably just trolling, does not seem to grasp the concept that everyone has different priorities.
it was given to them
American cars are so garbage
Because they are tall, buying used, and therefore have to take what they can find.
Traded in my Toyota for a Subaru- best decision ever!
"Remind me again why anyone would own any vehicle other than a Toyota or Honda?"
You might enjoy the exercise that you can get from a bicycle...
babr wrote:
Price comes down to more than sticker price - that was my point with looking at average cost per year per mile. I have a Honda with well over 200,000 miles on it, and it still runs great. The only maintenance I need to do is oil/tires. My average cost per year per mile is dropping by the day. If you need to get a new car earlier, that effective cost is going to be much higher, even if the initial ticket price is comparable.
That's not to say that other cars don't/can't run well for long periods of time. It's just that the luck that my family has had with Honda, and their horror stories with other cars, is worth a lot to me. Every time I get my oil changed, the oil change workers comment on how many Honda's they see in the shop with over 200,000 miles - that's worth something to me too. That's all. I don't agree with the OPs condescending way he presented the question, but I do love Honda, and find the conversation quite interesting.
I do think that Honda's are generally solid for going high mileage. Toyotas on the other hand I don't trust as much. I have known several people with Corollas and Camrys that have been a huge pain to keep on the road.
I'm a Subaru guy myself. My brother is still driving my old one at 240,000 miles, and no one except me has laid a finger on that engine since I bought it with 110,000 on the clock. It is important to pay attention to engine models more than makes in general. The Subaru EJ22 is known to go forever, while others not so much.
I've driven cars to very high mileage because I enjoy doing my own maintenance and I enjoy the satisfaction of keeping an old machine looking good and running well. I don't however think it is wise to plan on a car lasting 200k plus in a calculation to keep cost per mile down. No matter what make and model there are way to many variables at play to plan on your vehicle lasting this long.
If your high mileage car does go out on you and requires expensive maintenance then it can easily become worthless. If you are trying to minimize your cost per mile driven over your lifetime rather than a single car's lifetime, then you will sell your cars before they become worthless and put that money towards the next one.
Toyotas have sticky gas pedals....causes death.
Jordanesque. wrote:
OP, wouldn't you rather have a Lexus than a Toyota?
You know that Lexus is a Toyota subsidiary, don't you?
toyoyo wrote:
RE: Remind me again why anyone would own any vehicle other than a Toyota or Honda?
Chicks
233223 wrote:
Toyotas have sticky gas pedals....causes death.
I've been no fan of Toyota in this thread but it is important to note that the gas pedals were merely getting stuck under floor mats, and the incidents would not have caused any harm if idiot drivers knew how to put it in neutral.
coach d wrote:
If you can afford a real Benz.
When I go somewhere, I try to rent a Camry or Altima. They're better than American cars, but as soon as I sit in one, I'm reminded of why I own a Mercedes. I imagine all the BMW owners feel the same way about their cars.
Totally agree!
0/10.
Because there's no better feeling than being pushed back into the seat when I hit 100mph in 3rd gear in my Z06 coming on to the highway for kicks.
For some people a car is more than just a toaster that brings you places.
Because some people actually love to drive. Other than sex and running, there is nothing I like more than letting out the clutch and being thrown back in my seat. Finding the perfect apex of a turn and constantly improving my driving skills is a daily exercise that is incredibly enjoyable.
Its hard not to get car envy when you see a lotus and a maseratti on a regular basis.
Subaru
I've driven a lot of cars, never thought a Mercedes or BMW was better to drive than a Honda or Toyota. My dad had a BMW 5XX, thing was a twin turbo V8.
I took it out one time to see what it could do and that was bring up all these alarms, sputter, and tell me to pull over when I floored it. Never happened in a Toyota or Honda. There were other problems too and the dash layout was sooo bad. It was easier to find the button to disengage the rear diff for towing than the volume control. True H and T are not making sports car now, but still, an NSX, S2000 or Supra can still be found.
I agree with the OP, unless you want diesel, a large truck or a Tesla.
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