Do you think HS runners are on PEDs?

It’s still not worth the risk and the logistics are difficult. Would it be illegal for either the parents or the coach to provide PEDs to a minor? If it was the just the coach, would the school district have some liability? What medical provider stick his neck out for the kid’s future education?

There are plenty of good schools that cost less than $200K.

The risk that a high school kid is caught doping is almost none. They would have to get into national level testing pools to encounter any meaningful doping controls. At least that's my understanding.

Illegal to provide stuff to a minor? Sure. It's illegal to give them drugs/alcohol too. Almost impossible to enforce on a broad scale.

It would be risky for a coach to do it because if the parents found out there could be trouble. But very low risk for an athlete or parent to do it themselves. There are plenty of doctors willing to give out prescriptions for PEDs. Look at all the anti aging clinics around. And you can get most anything without a prescription anyway.

Sure, these "amateurs" aren't going to have the knowledge to dope really effectively. But it's still doping even if you're following a less than optimal schedule and it's still likely going to help.

So How quick would a freshman boy need to run in say the 1600 and then in xc before you guys would say hes doping? Just curious

not the time and more the overall picture. Outsider, odd build, performance inconsistent with known buildup.

I wouldn't probably ever think a HS kid is doping unless they are making world teams. I think the times they run are very acheivable without outside help. But, I think it's likely that if you take a group of the top 20 kids in any HS event that a handful of them are on something to get an edge. It's just the world we live in.

I have no doubt HS runners experiment with steroids, but the problem with PED's is they're very difficult to take. it's not like you just pop a pill and suddenly you run fast. if you take them in the wrong cycles nothing will happen but even worse, if you take them correctly you can go from running a 4:20 mile to suddenly breaking 4 minutes and everyone knows you're juicing.

there's a gradualness to a runners time as they improve naturally. any big leaps are red flags, especially to coaches and recruiters.

LOL yeah right. good troll

I was being sarcastic. I just meant you can make huge improvements in your time, so good that everyone knows you're doping.

I am no expert some of my teammates in d1 college some time ago experimented with stuff. (and I like said they still sucked). I am pretty sure a correctly timed taper and a good day does much more than PEDs ever will for your running performance. You have to be a real expert on this stuff to make them work

I would say a slouchy 16:30 5k, 9:42, 4:30 to 8:49 and 4:06 in a 7month period is not ordinary in history

Hogan’s clean. I’m his former teammate on Columbia. Graduated senior now so I was a year ahead of him. Him and I were both pretty mid runners his sophomore season of cross and my junior season. After the season was over we both got crazy motivated and we both dropped from 17/18:xx runners who did maybe 3-5 miles a week to 4:3x milers on still pretty low mileage but not super low. No doping involved there. Summer and Fall of ‘22 I fought injury a ton but he stayed relatively healthy and upped the mileage and made another big jump down to a 14:58 3 mile by the end of the season where I didn’t manage any impressive times. Another consistent winter of training for him and another horrible one for me got him to 4:15 season opener indoor and he dropped down to 4:08 by the end of the season, plus that impressive 8:49. I only was able to train for a couple of months coming off of no training for 4-5 months but still dropped a nice 4:19 by the end of the season. Moral of the story he’s just a really talented runner who worked hard and got a really good progression out of it, but nothing unrealistic. I ran almost seasons with him and he was always motivated and hard working, never messed with any PEDs. Legit guy whose going places. Just wanted to clear that up 👍

I had a teammate in HS who was on HGH on our team but he wasn’t good and quit the team after the season he started taking it so never saw the improvements

None of what you said justifies the improvement. If anything more suspicious

I guess anyone can just come on here and accuse whoever they want

I looked up the team, this team sucks so badly. Yeah when you run 3-5 miles a week you will get nowhere with running fast times. No wonder they got so much better. You think Hogan can make another big jump to Birnbaum, Burns, and Hansen level next year?

hope he does it will be good for the sport and state

I believe Ethan will be elite in the 3200 next year his mile time should be close to 4 flat too at this rate we’ll see if he can break the barrier

nah it's not that easy most runners will actually stagnate at the level he is at now. he would need to make another big jump which is less likely imo

We don’t have any good coaching in our XC or Track program. Ethan is self coached and I was too in HS. E will break the Detweiller record this fall and break 4 by a good margin/break 8:40 by a good margin in track season if he stays healthy. You heard it here first.