reallybroo wrote:
This ain't elementary school. THIS IS DIVISION THREE CROSS COUNTRY!!
Wait, so which is it? Elementary school or not?
reallybroo wrote:
This ain't elementary school. THIS IS DIVISION THREE CROSS COUNTRY!!
Wait, so which is it? Elementary school or not?
;) wrote:
reallybroo wrote:This ain't elementary school. THIS IS DIVISION THREE CROSS COUNTRY!!
Wait, so which is it? Elementary school or not?
If you don't know this reference, look up Dan Hawkins, intramurals. I forgot these threads are full of a bunch of runners.
reallybroo wrote
I'm from the New England region. Hop off, please.
No you are not. Also nice troll job on the placing of the teams. I'll give it a solid 6.358/20.
reallybroo wrote:
Oshkosh is top 3 on their best day.
Oshkosh's #1 runner was 45th today. That's not a rip on him; top-50 at nationals is awesome. It doesn't really indicate a top-3 performance on any day, their best or otherwise.
So bummed I missed the stream, looked like a great race. Too bad about Brown, falling in XC is usually not a big deal, just a loss of 3 seconds, unless you're hurt. Something must have gone badly wrong because he looked pretty primed for at least top 20 finish. The rest of the team ran amazing and if Brown were where he was expected, they would have scored 70-80 pts and demolished the field. But that's XC. North Central had the superior depth and they won, congrats to them. Great race for Wintheiser, and man, miler Paul Escher in 15th! He's going to do some interesting things in track.
On way home from mens race. Any results where they show individual kilometer splits and placements? While I didn't personally see Kelleher or Brown fall, it apparently affected Brown more, maybe got injured? Kelleher's team finish was right in line with conference and regionals, while I saw Brown struggle to finish. Normally runs right with Jake Campbell.
A few thoughts:
Al Carius said after the race that he felt NCC got a little lucky today.
Neither Olaf nor NCC really had great days. Brown for Olaf felt terrible, and Kelleher apparently has had a virus of some sort for the last few weeks that prevented strong races. So both teams didn't really race to their potential.
NCC had a better depth, and we all knew that Olaf was hosed if one of their top five didn't have a good race. That happened, and NCC managed to pull it off. I would say these teams could race 10 times today and probably split it 5-5. Thus the Carius remark.
However, props to NCC for having a great pack of 7. That really shows the wisdom in the adages about the 6th man being important.
Course wasn't terrible until the last loop for the top guys. I felt bad for the girls though.
Is the split scoring summary correct? It has Carnegie Mellon in first place at 6k with 127 points, 52 points ahead of the next team. They finished in 24th.
Where them chirping Eau Claire MF'ers at now?
Course was sloppy all the way through for the most part. Not terrible, just sloppy.
Witnesses wrote:
Course was sloppy all the way through for the most part. Not terrible, just sloppy.
Looking through this thread and the other National Field Discussion thread, there was a fair bit of hating on Dickinson getting in with the at-large bid with their 5th place Mideast finish. Are we not going to acknowledge that two All-Americans and a 12th place team finish proves that they definitely deserved to be there?
Yes
We all know they should not have been there in the first place
observerer wrote:
A few thoughts:
Al Carius said after the race that he felt NCC got a little lucky today.
NCC had a better depth, and we all knew that Olaf was hosed if one of their top five didn't have a good race. That happened, and NCC managed to pull it off.
While probably not intended, this post almost suggests that North Central backed into a title. They had a sub-30 10K guy who finished 46th (35th in the team race). I'd say that it speaks to just how good they are that they were able to win despite getting about 30 more points from Kelleher than they probably expected to get three or four weeks ago.
St. Olaf had an 8th-place finisher last year who finished 116th (85th in the team race). I'd say it speaks to how good they are that they were able to keep it so close despite getting about 70 more points from him than they probably expected to get three or four weeks ago.
The course was a much more sloppy than I think alot of teams expected and I think that certainly played a part in muddling the battle between St. Olaf and North Central. Kelleher went down a little before a mile into the race and fell from the teens back to the 70s/80s before he could even get up, let alone get moving again. (since there was so much traffic). The race may have played out a lot differently since he moved up from around 120th somewhere around the 2 mile to finish 46. Dickshinski for NCC also fell around the 4k mark and slid down one of the mini hills, moving him back from the 30s at the time to the 100s. (Once the splits suface somewhere, these should show the effects of the falls).
St. Olaf battled tough and looked great through 6k, when they had 3 in the top 15 (Escher ran a hell of a race- moved up patiently and very intelligently all the way to 14th) and 5 in front of NCC's 3. I think the big difference today was 1) NCC, just like they have shown the last few years, moved a ton the last 2k putting all 7 in front of St. Olaf's 5th (and their 3 and 4 catching the Olaf 4) and 2) Jake Brown either shut down, or just hit the wall the last 400 meters. With 800 to go, Brown and Root were head to head in 65th (both of the school's 5th men). Root ended up 58th, Brown 116th. Major fade of Eli Horton's hair proportions (speaking of fading....Eli Horton 28th....)
This year is quite reminiscent of 2012 where there should have been an awesome battle between Calvin, NCC, and Haverford based on their success and talent that year anddddd the winning score was 164...
I think that if the course hadn't been so sloppy, we may have been able to see the great battle we had expected but that just wasn't the case. XC is never predictable and today just goes to show that anything can and will happen.
might be wejo wrote:
Is the split scoring summary correct? It has Carnegie Mellon in first place at 6k with 127 points, 52 points ahead of the next team. They finished in 24th.
There's no way that's true. At 5k St. Olaf had something like 70 points (Jake Brown was around 20th for them at that point). Impossible for Mellon to have been leading at 6k.
Matter of perspective wrote:
observerer wrote:A few thoughts:
Al Carius said after the race that he felt NCC got a little lucky today.
NCC had a better depth, and we all knew that Olaf was hosed if one of their top five didn't have a good race. That happened, and NCC managed to pull it off.
While probably not intended, this post almost suggests that North Central backed into a title. They had a sub-30 10K guy who finished 46th (35th in the team race). I'd say that it speaks to just how good they are that they were able to win despite getting about 30 more points from Kelleher than they probably expected to get three or four weeks ago.
Maybe intended, but not with malice. I think I tried to say that the way the race played out, with guys dying on both teams, it showed that NCC had better depth. Today, depth was what mattered, since major scorers for both teams had bum races. That isn't a knock on NCC. There are many ways to win a meet, and they were prepared to win it in more ways than Olaf was today. A multifaceted team you might say. All respect to them for their victory.
I just think Olaf is butt hurtin' ... They literally had no way to win the meet
Totally agree, no way they get lucky two years in a row