Century League Finals in CA: Corcoran 4:06.13, Tamagno 4:06.93 So. State Record

South of the Cascades wrote:

West of the Cascades wrote:

Yes. KINGCO 4A in the Seattle Metro area. 4:25 didn't even qualify.

11 schools in that league and the top 3 1600 runners combined still lose head-to-head (1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3) to the fastest school in the Century League.

League v. League, Century's top 4 are ahead of KingCo's best guy. Top 20 v. Top 20 the two leagues are almost identical, with KingCo's 20th best about 1.5 seconds ahead of Century's.

Deeper, yes, barely.

Faster, no, not close.

Except KINGCO haven't had their league meet yet. Those were only the qualifiers. Wait until Wednesday when they all race together and we'll see if it's faster.

West of the Cascades wrote:

Except KINGCO haven't had their league meet yet. Those were only the qualifiers. Wait until Wednesday when they all race together and we'll see if it's faster.

Except, KINGCO survivors will be at the WA State Meet at the end of May. The CA State meet occurs one week later in June. WA is one week ahead of CA.

I can practically guarantee that, like last year, WA will have more sub 9s at the state meet than CA. The mile should be close. Per capita though, WA dominates CA in distance. Just look at last fall's XC stats.

Short WA tracks make times look great, don't they.

Ego Buster wrote:

Short WA tracks make times look great, don't they.

Haha... not as much as the California "5k" cross-country courses.

Yeah, WA CC 5k = 3 miles.

WA may have more sub-9's at the State meet would be great that's great. I was curious to know if there was a league in the nation that is faster. In Southern Ca. the leagues are based on geography. These 7 schools are only separated by 10-12 miles adding to the uniqueness of the situation.

Coming out of the Western Washington 4A Bi-District meet last year, 9:14 didn't qualify for state in the 3200 and I think it was 4:20 in the 1600 that didn't qualify either. And it's going to be even steeper this year. I think 9:10/4:17 won't go. Find me a tougher bi-district than that.

Some dude in Washington State is having a wett dream in his mommy's basement. That's not pretty.

Name: wrote:

Is there a faster league in the Nation?

This isn't even the fastest league in Southern California. Look at the amount of elite marks this League Finals produced, I'm sure its not even top ten.

West of the Cascades wrote:

Coming out of the Western Washington 4A Bi-District meet last year, 9:14 didn't qualify for state in the 3200 and I think it was 4:20 in the 1600 that didn't qualify either. And it's going to be even steeper this year. I think 9:10/4:17 won't go. Find me a tougher bi-district than that.

San Francisco has the toughest LGBT-district in the nation and everyone knows that. Really, what the hell is a bi-district anyway?

WA produces awesome runners, there is no disputing that OK? Something is in the water up there, or maybe the coffee, and has been since the 60s when Lindgren lit the world and his head on fire. Per capita WA truly is unique, if we aren't including a little place called Iten which produces 13-14 year old boys as fast as Washington's HS juniors and seniors.

To have the 2nd, 4th, 9th and 32nd fastest 1600m runners in the nation in one league, that is composed of 7 schools within a radius of 7 miles is not normal and not something KingCo is doing. If you want the greatest depth of runners, it's probably in whatever league Great Oak or Christian Brothers is in.

Joe Hardy, Washington's current #1 1600 runner would be 4th in the Century League.

Not impossible for someone in HS to run the 2m in 1:46? Not sure you know what you're saying. If the distance is longer and faster there is no debate if you ran the fastest ever.

Mrr82 wrote:

I'm No Einstein wrote:

While I do agree with this, it leaves the door open to break the 800, 1500, 1600, mile, 3000, 3200 and 2 mile all in one effort. Unlikely, but not impossible, yes?

Not impossible for someone in HS to run the 2m in 1:46? Not sure you know what you're saying. If the distance is longer and faster there is no debate if you ran the fastest ever.

Yeah, I wasn't saying to run the 2 mile in 1:46, but the first 800 of a 2 mile in 1:46. Amos ran 1:41 as an 18 year old. Opening up with an 800 in 1:46 en route to an 8:28 two mile is unlikely, but breaking multiple distance records in one race is possible in a Lloyd Christmas "so you're telling me there's a chance" sort of way.

That is one hellava fast league finals.

Bangin! What's it going to take to win the CA State Meet? Sub 4:03???? ??

I'm No Einstein wrote:

Yeah, I wasn't saying to run the 2 mile in 1:46, but the first 800 of a 2 mile in 1:46. Amos ran 1:41 as an 18 year old. Opening up with an 800 in 1:46 en route to an 8:28 two mile is unlikely, but breaking multiple distance records in one race is possible in a Lloyd Christmas "so you're telling me there's a chance" sort of way.

It was clear that was what you were saying. However, it does not apply to Seyta's point. You are talking about "en route" times. That is a different debate altogether. Seyta is not suggesting that we take Webb's 1600m split from his 3:53 mile and call it the record. He is suggesting that the 3:53 should stand as the 1600m record. Does that make sense? (I hope that I do not sound condescending as that truly is not my intent…)

162430 wrote:

I'm No Einstein wrote:

Yeah, I wasn't saying to run the 2 mile in 1:46, but the first 800 of a 2 mile in 1:46. Amos ran 1:41 as an 18 year old. Opening up with an 800 in 1:46 en route to an 8:28 two mile is unlikely, but breaking multiple distance records in one race is possible in a Lloyd Christmas "so you're telling me there's a chance" sort of way.

It was clear that was what you were saying. However, it does not apply to Seyta's point. You are talking about "en route" times. That is a different debate altogether. Seyta is not suggesting that we take Webb's 1600m split from his 3:53 mile and call it the record. He is suggesting that the 3:53 should stand as the 1600m record. Does that make sense? (I hope that I do not sound condescending as that truly is not my intent…)

AHA! Thanks, wasn't condescending at all. I understand now. Using 3:53 as the 1600m record is strange given his en route time was obviously faster, but yeah, I get it.

Sean Penn Drinks Milk wrote:

Really, what the hell is a bi-district anyway?

Bi-District = Regional with 2 Districts. In WA, schools are in Leagues, Leagues are parts of (Activity) Districts, and sometimes Districts combine with other Districts for state qualifying purposes.

It makes sense to call the state qualifying meet a "Bi-District" when the districts are geographically connected - like District II (Seattle area) and IV (Vancouver/SW Washington area) had for a couple years in WA 4A - but it just seems simpler to me to call it "regional" when the districts connect, as is the case now for KingCo with District I (Everett/Bellingham areas) and II combining.

How many qualify for CIF from Century League. 4:13 goes home?