How would Payton Jordan 5k have play out had Rupp been in it?

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1. Rupp runs 13:03

2. Salazar files protest against True and Hassan

3. Protest Denied

4. Protest Denied again

5. Protest Denied again again

6. New Conslusive Evidence DQ's both runners and Rupp is the victor

The race would have been exactly the same, except Rupp runs 13:01.9 because Rupp would never lead a race like this, and he would have waited until he had to go with 150 left.

sorry mate wrote:

this is too interesting of a discussion topic for anyone to comment

I can comment on this but my comment would be too interesting for sensitive eyes.

themanontherun wrote:

We have no idea how fit Rupp is or isn't right now, but his teammate (Centro) hit a PR over an off distance. We're well enough removed from Rupp's excellent indoor season that he should be able to run pretty quick right now. The guys who just edged him over 3k indoors are all low 12:50 guys, but 5k seems to be an off distance for Rupp relative to mile and 10k. Any thoughts? Would the race have played out differently up front, or would he have changed the tactics?

Rupp certainly has had some off 5K's relative to his other races, but I wouldn't say it is necessarily an off distance. Throw out worlds and olympics finals because he was doubling back after 10,000. Only the greatest of the greatest can do that with success. He also has one or two 5000's where he went down but was looking good up to that point in very fast races.

He looked solid on 13:00 pace at PRE two years ago and beat most of the field for his 12:58. Hayward Field at midday is not known for being a super fast venue. There is often wind and I believe that was the first or second time ever that the 5000 went under 13:00 there despite guys racing who have run under 12:50, and even 12:40 in europe.

Last night would have been interesting if Rupp were in it. I suspect Rupp would have looked extremely easy on 13:05-13:10 pace when the second rabbit dropped, but the question is, what next? Would he have led from there? True was stuck in that position and the gave it up pretty quickly, and the pace dropped as a result. Can't blame him, but perhaps if Rupp was in there it would have become more cat and mouse with guys wanting to line up behind Rupp to have a crack at him.

I think it would have gone pretty much according to how it did last night, with the exception of Rupp taking over with 500 or 600 to go and taking it under 13:00.

I enjoy american distance running and I think its a shame you are taking the spotlight off the guys who showed up and ran a great race. Stop speculating and lets give Ben True some credit. I think he will be able to go sub 13 if things go well for him this season. Enough with Rupp, its threads like this that make people slowly start to dislike him.(I know lots of people already dislike him) We should be supporting all of our distance guys and letting those who are in the spotlight enjoy it. 13:02 is a great time I look forward to seeing Ben drop more time on the track.

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Stop speculation wrote:

I enjoy american distance running and I think its a shame you are taking the spotlight off the guys who showed up and ran a great race. Stop speculating and lets give Ben True some credit. I think he will be able to go sub 13 if things go well for him this season. Enough with Rupp, its threads like this that make people slowly start to dislike him.(I know lots of people already dislike him) We should be supporting all of our distance guys and letting those who are in the spotlight enjoy it. 13:02 is a great time I look forward to seeing Ben drop more time on the track.

I understand your point, and Ben wasn't the only one to run great last night. But couldn't it be argued that, considering Rupps list of achievements relative to the others here it's actually a compliment that people are discussing scenarios where Rupp is not thought of as the undeniable favorite in a distance race against americans other than Lagat?

That was kind of my point. I've been following Rupp for a long time; he was someone I looked up to in hs and beyond. While recent events have tempered my pro-Salazar leanings, I still respect and root for Rupp. However, I am realistic and even appreciative of the fact that the quality of American distance running is increasingly rapidly, and Rupp isn't as dominant domestically now as we might have thought he would be at this point two years ago.

(1) Rupp shows up.

(2) Salazar whips out an electronic pollen count meter.

(3) Meter says that the pollen count is 0.1% too high.

(4) Salazar calls Nike HQ.

(5) Nike HQ calls USATF.

(6) USATF calls Stanford University.

(7) Entire meet is cancelled.

Rocky Balboa wrote:

(1) Rupp shows up.

(2) Salazar whips out an electronic pollen count meter.

(3) Meter says that the pollen count is 0.1% too high.

(4) Salazar calls Nike HQ.

(5) Nike HQ calls USATF.

(6) USATF calls Stanford University.

(7) Entire meet is cancelled.

Rupp warms up, checks in for race with spikes in hand, does not arrive at start line. (Sound familiar?)

Salazer launches DQ, DQ-appeal, and then DQ-appeal-appeal against ALL runners in the field, INCLUDING the DNFs.

DQ appeal-appeal-appeal is successful on the basis of new and compelling audio from Max Siegel's smartphone as he chatted with Phil Knight during the race.

Rupp's DNS leaves him as 2014 Peyton Jordan 5,000 winner.

themanontherun wrote:

That was kind of my point. I've been following Rupp for a long time; he was someone I looked up to in hs and beyond. While recent events have tempered my pro-Salazar leanings, I still respect and root for Rupp. However, I am realistic and even appreciative of the fact that the quality of American distance running is increasingly rapidly, and Rupp isn't as dominant domestically now as we might have thought he would be at this point two years ago.

What's great is that Rupp is certainly better now than he was 2 years ago, and yet these guys are still catching up to him.

the USA OG trials 5K/10K in 2016 will be a race to watch

Not really. No rabbit who will take it out in 8:22 at 3200.

almost_ran wrote:

the USA OG trials 5K/10K in 2016 will be a race to watch

Don't let that old man beat you.

Not to mention the geriatric 100 meter OT championships between 34-year-old Justin Gatlin and 33-year-old Tyson Gay.

Rocky Balboa wrote:

(1) Rupp shows up.

(2) Salazar whips out an electronic pollen count meter.

(3) Meter says that the pollen count is 0.1% too high.

(4) Salazar calls Nike HQ.

(5) Nike HQ calls USATF.

(6) USATF calls Stanford University.

(7) Entire meet is cancelled.

(8) The meet is reinstated.

(9) Rupp runs for 3000m.

(10) Rupp feels funny.

(11) He walks off the track on the back straight.

(12) Rupp DNFs.

(13) One hour later, Rupp does 4x1600m workout with the last one at sub 4.

The last 1600m would not have been sub 4. 4:02 max...