Ryan Hall 30:36 10k win today

No need to judge his time, just 12 days after his marathon. However, he has not run a lot of much faster 10k's in his life. How many times has he even broken 29?

I saw one time, a 28:07 10k in 2007. He also had some fine 15k's, 43:35 in 2006 and 43:26 in 2009, which are about 29 per 10k. Then of course he ran the 59:43 half, which is about 28:20 per 10k! His wind-aided marathon pr is 2:04:58, which is 29:38 per 10k! Obviously, he should get back in touch with his old track speed to get competitive again at marathon, but since his half in 59:43, he just has not shown that kind of speed.

Surely someone of Hall's calibre could go faster than 30:36 in a race? Maybe with a bit more training emphasis on shorter distances rather than marathon work he'd be in that 28-29 range.

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

I don't want to wait.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

HardLoper wrote:

Though there were three LetsRunners in the field with 32:xx PRs and none of them broke 34 so there's that.

What did you expect?

Ryan HAII. wrote:

I don't want to wait.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

Each time he races we see his lack of production, but we keep waiting for and expecting the comeback but it never comes so we wait some more

hall gave it all. the course might have been hilly coz of the time. on Top of that he won by a big margin. that time can't raise eyebrow. all in all his fitness is questionable this time. how many sub 28 guys were in the race?

Ryan Vail ran a 10K in 31:49 one week ago.

Hall might have on more sub-2:10 marathon in him before he hangs 'em up, with or without an announcement. And when he does retire, he'll be one of many distance runners we look at and say, "Wow. Come to think of it he's done nothing for over three years." In Hall's case, his hammering from th gun and crating a fast group race at the 2012 Olympic Trials will stand as his last commendable performance -- everything since then's been crap and I don't see him ever being nearly as confident or as fit as th Hall of five years ago. He's become the Alan Webb of the marathon, sans the shiny pate.

The time's nothing special, please make no excuses. That being said, I like that he tries to get his speed back.

This is a workout that happened to be done at a race where we can see his result and we will pay attention because its Ryan Hall. It's not a good result, it's not a bad result.

v6 wrote:

You should listen to that podcast that got posted on here in the last few days. He basically says what you were saying, that he overestimated his fitness after losing all that training time, and was excited that he had been since December 2013 without injury and therefore thought he could do better, but didn't realize how much fitness he'd lost, particularly speed fitness.

tl;dr basically he was finally healthy again the last few months and interpreted it as being in shape when he really wasn't in shape

How does someone with that much running experience overestimate his fitness like that? Shouldn't his workouts tell him what his fitness is?

52.43 wrote:

I like that he tries to get his speed back.

Please explain for the benefit of us novices how running a 10K race as a hard tempo 12 days after a shitty marathon can be logically interpreted as an attempt on Hall's part to increase his speed.

This sounds like something Hall himself would say, actually. We're talking about a guy who was far off the pace at Boston from the start and didn't even hang with the U.S. "B" squad for halfway, yet didn't hesitate to explain his significant role in Meb's victory...just imagine if you could take Hall's talent and determination and package them with a mind that could function at a reasonably competent level. The result probably would have been a 2:05 (unaided) and possibly some good showings in World Cross as well.

He's probably referring to the recent podcast where he said he was going to go down in distance this spring/summer to try and get his speed back.

Logically, maybe/maybe not but it's what he is trying to do.

It isn't that difficult of a concept to understand.

I run races for workouts too. I usually go all out. Why is it assumed that Ryan didn't give 100%? Don't tell me his coach told him to tempo. It was a race and Hall raced.[/quote]

If it was a tempo run.

Get back to me after you win a local 5k by 2 minutes on a tempo effort and tell me if you really felt like hammering the whole way because "it's a race."

Triathletes run faster off the bike than that.

Does anyone know the course? Cincinnati is a very hilly city, so it's possible the course is challenging, in which case 30:36 could be a solid tempo effort. On the other hand, if the course is basically flat, that's 2:08:xx marathon pace, which should be slower than Hall's tempo pace.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think Hall should be resting still. Most guys take 2 weeks off after a xc/track season or marathon. Meb probably hasn't run a step since April 21st. Next time they race Meb will beat Ryan again.

Ryan keeps making mistakes in his training, and this is another one. After a bad race its human nature to be impatient and want to do better. But there is a time and place for it, he should be resting. After his next bad marathon he'll just blame it on too little recovery after Boston. Wait and see.

30:36 is resting for Ryan Hall. And Meb has most certainly run a step or two since April 21.

It's a difficult course.