I can run 10 miles under 60...what gives?
I can run 10 miles under 60...what gives?
So what? A 4:40 is equivalent to like, a 56:00 10 miler.
Lucifer wrote:
I can run 10 miles under 60...what gives?
Yea, those two are far from equivalent. If you could "tempo" ten miles in 60, that would indicate that 6 flat pace might be around marathon pace, which would be in the territory for 4:40
If you can race a ten miler in 60 minutes...sorry but you are likely only in about 17:00/4:50 shape.
If you're not satisfied with your mile/1600 do more speed/anaerobic work.
I think you are in good aerobic shape though. My senior year of hs XC i ran 10 miles under 60 on the track (it felt like about half marathon pace) and later in track season we started doing more speed stuff and i ran 4:32.
no its definitely not and Im talking about tempo like half marathon tempo not a race...@sswipe
Lucifer wrote:
no its definitely not and Im talking about tempo like half marathon tempo not a race...@sswipe
Lol? You are calling him an asswipe for being correct? 4:40 mile in an individual with strong endurance is good for low 16s in the 5k...which is roughly an equivalent performance to mid 56 for 10M race.
Ability to run a half marathon in 1:18:xx (6:00 pace) is not on par with 4:40 mile. Closer to 4:50 maybe. This of course is assuming fairly decent endurance.
If you want serious advice it would be good to have a more complete picture of your training, and best of all your current 5k shape and 800 shape.
At first glance it seems your endurance is a little bit lacking. I'd be willing to guess your 800 ability is currently around 2:05-2:10
its the exact opposite, and im under 450, my workouts also indicate under 440, i just cant make it happen in a race, this site is seriously ridiculous and btw 237 marathon guys run faster than 440, everyone thinks theyre an expert here you are all puss!es who think its so cool to troll anonymously
10 x 400 in 70, with 70 seconds rest
yea I am capable of that, but when I try to race under that 440 it just DOESNT happen
Grow some nads. jerk.
Lucifer wrote:
its the exact opposite, and im under 450, my workouts also indicate under 440, i just cant make it happen in a race, this site is seriously ridiculous and btw 237 marathon guys run faster than 440, everyone thinks theyre an expert here you are all puss!es who think its so cool to troll anonymously
Yea, not like my name is registered or anything like that.
As for the 2:38 thing quit being a moron. Let's roughly say a 2:37 marathoner is good for 1:13 in the half. Now, let's look at a good runner like Haile. He has a PR of 3:31, which we will call 3:46 mile equivalent. Hailes mile pace is .837, or about 16% faster, so applying that to our 1:13 hypothetical we get 4:40 pace almost on the dot. If someone is running faster than 4:40 with a 2:37 PR they are a better miler than a marathoner.
It's the exact opposite of what? Are you saying your speed is lacking but your endurance is strong? Aside from the fact that 1:18 half shape, aka 17:00 5k shape, is equivalent to only 4:50 for the mile then yes you are correct.
It's clear you aren't actually interested in any assistance, and thus trolling, since you won't provide people trying to offer advice with the advice they need, aka PRs, information about how you race/race splits, or what your training typically looks like
well im definitely under 17 and 450 and I havent done a half in a while, I just told you repeat 70s is something I can do. And ok so a sub 440 high school guy can run 73 then? dont think so. I think its extremely not common at all. People who run 440 run slower than 73 and people who run 73 run faster than 440
also i dont think your little online calculators you google are very accurate, not a good source at all
sweet god there are a lot of little pimply faced teen-aged a-holes on this board.
Hey man. Bernard Lagat here.
You just need to learn to relax. In training, and in racing. Most kids your age try to run too hard in the mile and waste their energy early on. Your 200m split is probably already too fast.
Try this. Just relax and don't worry about anything for 300 meters. Pretend you're running the 2-mile or something. Let the guys you're racing go 2-3 seconds ahead of you. You'll probably surprise yourself when you hit the first lap right on schedule in 70. Then you can stay relaxed and work your way back up to them. And when it comes to the kick, just keep staying relaxed and increase your turnover. When you think you can't go faster, just tell yourself to relax, and go faster.
This has worked for me for the last 20 years, and the only person I shared it with was Alan Webb. Anyways got to go to bed. Got a nice relaxed 8 miler at 4:40 pace tomorrow and a relaxed off day Sunday. I stay up too late but don't really need sleep anymore since we've had kids. LOL.
Good luck man,
-Bernard Lagat
Lucifer wrote:
well im definitely under 17 and 450 and I havent done a half in a while, I just told you repeat 70s is something I can do. And ok so a sub 440 high school guy can run 73 then? dont think so. I think its extremely not common at all. People who run 440 run slower than 73 and people who run 73 run faster than 440
You really make me wonder. Did I say I googled an online calculator? I'd also agree with you those are not accurate.
Here is the issue. So far all you have listed is a 5k time that might be in the ballpark of 4:40, but honestly we don't know without a 3rd time where your endurance is tracking. If your 800 is faster than like 2:05 you ought to be able to run 4:3x. Certainly should be able to if it's near or at 2 flat.
If your speed is worse than 2:05 then sorry, but you just aren't there yet, as the endurance is not "on par" with what is needed for 4:40, and you don't have the wheels to make up the gap so to speak.
So, lets assume you have like 2:03 or better 800, in which case you should in theory be able to break 4:40. There are several possible issues
1)You aren't racing smart. If you are opening in 65 every race, or going through 800 in 2:15 that might be the problem
2)You don't have the right training for the mile. We can't evaluate that though since you haven't given us what you typically do in a normal week of training
3)You are hammering workouts too much, leaving you flat on races
4)related to 3), but basically you just haven't had a good race yet. If you are literally in 4:39.9 shape theoretically then you will need the perfect race to get that sub 4:40.
That's as much as could be offered unless you decide to post your PRs at all distances, race splits, or what a typical training week looks like.