"Depletion runs" from the Chris Solinsky interview. This might be the worst idea I've ever heard.

I think Noakes talks about this for marathon training. I remember reading something about doing every other long run as a "race day simulation" where you carbo-load the night before, and do as much as you can identically to what you'll do for the marathon, etc.

But on the opposite weeks, you don't carbo load and possibly lightly fast to experience hitting the wall.

Unless your long runs reach 26 miles, or you have previous marathon experience, seems like there could be benefit, if only psychological.

The Angel of Death wrote:

Isn't the point of a long run to teach your body how to burn your reserve fuel one your glycogen has been depleted, thus making this type of run unnecessary?

Exactly this. And by "reserve fuel" you mean fat. Using lipolysis for energy is crucial for the marathon. Fasted training is legit.

I'm surprised people still doubt it works when there have been studies confirming it's efficacy.Sounds like you're in the dark about it. Here's some help:http://www.runvictoriamarathon.com/pdf/Stellingwerf-MarathonCaseStudy.pdf

A completely stupid strategy that will never be used by elite marathoners. Rather, fuel as best as you can and run as fast as you can.

Really? Of all the ideas you've ever heard in your life, none of them are as bad as this? Seriously?

This is a training technique used for the past few years now - so relatively new. Expect it to be widely used very soon. The science behind it makes absolute sense. Train your body to use alternate fuel sources as you WILL run out of glycogen before the end of a marathon, so why wouldn't you train in that state??? Nope, I'll just wait for mile 22 of the most impt. race of the year & see how my body responds!

This thread proves that theres an endless line of idiots who believe they know more than elites and their coaches.

New technique? Hobby joggers do this every effin Sunday the last two months before they attempt that elusive sub 4h marathon.

Science? There's NO science to back this crap up. Where are the studies that show that slugging along half dead will "train your body to use alternate fuel sources" better than running at a decent clip.

Please don't answer. You've proven yourself a retard.

poor solinsky wrote:

Science? There's NO science to back this crap up. Where are the studies that show that slugging along half dead will "train your body to use alternate fuel sources" better than running at a decent clip.

Please don't answer. You've proven yourself a retard.

it'll work great until race day until actually eating breakfast leaves you feeling sick and needing to crap in the last few miles

poor solinsky wrote:

New technique? Hobby joggers do this every effin Sunday the last two months before they attempt that elusive sub 4h marathon.

Science? There's NO science to back this crap up. Where are the studies that show that slugging along half dead will "train your body to use alternate fuel sources" better than running at a decent clip.

Please don't answer. You've proven yourself a retard.

Sadly you are the retard. There is info to back this up - I guess you are out of the loop.

kmaclam wrote:

This is a training technique used for the past few years now - so relatively new.

This has been around for a LONG time. Nothing new here.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

Yes - like at least Van Aaken old.

Eater E. wrote:

This has been around for a LONG time. Nothing new here.

poor solinsky wrote:

New technique? Hobby joggers do this every effin Sunday the last two months before they attempt that elusive sub 4h marathon.

Science? There's NO science to back this crap up. Where are the studies that show that slugging along half dead will "train your body to use alternate fuel sources" better than running at a decent clip.

Please don't answer. You've proven yourself a retard.

Sadly you are the retard. There is info to back this up - I guess you are out of the loop.[/quote]

[quote]janet weiss wrote:

yep^

kmaclam wrote:

Train your body to use alternate fuel sources as you WILL run out of glycogen before the end of a marathon, so why wouldn't you train in that state??? Nope, I'll just wait for mile 22 of the most impt. race of the year & see how my body responds!

No, you will NOT run out of glycogen if you just refuel along the way. Carbs are also better than fat as far as performance goes. The whole thing is a non issue. Just eat something halfway through.

That's a case study.

That is not science, it's really just the first step in the scientific method.

Let's get ourselves a control group, a sample with enough power and then we can say there is science.

Perhaps someone has done this already?

June Squib wrote:

That's a case study.

That is not science, it's really just the first step in the scientific method.

Let's get ourselves a control group, a sample with enough power and then we can say there is science.

Perhaps someone has done this already?

Science!

That is science but a super small sample size.

There must be more out there?