Wait a minute! Over 40% of letsrun visitors DON'T think El G was doped up?

naive.. probably

not a chance he was clean

Around 900 visitors don't even think that Jarmila Kratochvilova was doped.

Also, women are more gullible than men, but not much.

Clearly the younger posters have some more living to do. They are completely naive.

And over 70% thought Bekele was clean and over 60% thought Komen was clean.

The northern Africans must seem more supicious than eastern Africans.

It's important to understand the current viewership of this website.

It's obvious that the MAJORITY of posters are now college age or younger. They didn't follow the sport in the EL G era. They don't know when the EPO test was invented. They have no clue there was a span of nearly a decade when EPO was totally undetectable.

most of his rabbits were doped just to help keep up with him

Maybe 40% of the people were trolling...or were muslims.

A lot of the people who voted are just casual fans of letsrun. They view the front page, read a couple stories, and don't really post on the forums. These people have no idea how far behind the drug testers are from the drug users. Remember for a test, a drug to test for has to exist and be public. Once a ped is known, it can take years to develop a test, and even more years to implement it. WADA and the IAAF move at a snail's pace. Case in point: the Turkish 1500 drug cheat who tried to steal an olympic gold medal. It took them months after Turkey said it would ignore the IAAF's drug test positive for them to respond and ban the athlete. If it were up to me, that response would have occurred the same day. Its actually not even official yet, as the IAAF has some arbitration over the matter which will occur months from now. To me its obvious that a flagrant drug cheat should get a lifetime ban, but not to the IAAF. In Turkey she is still viewed as a hero and young athletes want to use peds so they can grow up to be just like her.

Haters gonna hate

Here's a nice little article about El G.'s anti-drug stance published in 2001.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/aug/26/athletics.comment

What happened to JJ Johnson?

good for a laugh...

"The Moroccan has now allied himself with Paula Radcliffe's campaign to have proper EPO testing introduced as early as possible and in Brussels on Friday was even sporting a red ribbon on his vest to indicate he was willing to be blood-tested at any time."

Randy Oldman wrote:

Here's a nice little article about El G.'s anti-drug stance published in 2001.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/aug/26/athletics.comment

What happened to JJ Johnson?

"Also in Brussels, Marion Jones said she would be prepared to sign Radcliffe's planned petition to be presented to the International Association of Athletics Federations in the New Year. "

hehe..

Randy Oldman wrote:

Here's a nice little article about El G.'s anti-drug stance published in 2001.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/aug/26/athletics.comment

What happened to JJ Johnson?

"Also in Brussels, Marion Jones said she would be prepared to sign Radcliffe's planned petition to be presented to the International Association of Athletics Federations in the New Year. "

hehe..

Randy Oldman wrote:

What happened to JJ Johnson?

"One of the names on it was Linford Christie, who at the time paraded in a T-shirt bearing the legend 'Drug free'. He demanded prison sentences for anyone who failed a test. I wonder what his views on that are now, after he recently completed a two-year ban for nandrolone"

as can be seen from the article..

being vocally anti-doping proves nothing..

and as in paulas case imo simply heightens suspicion..

.

Doped up again wrote:

Are people naive or just plain stupid?

I have to think El G Spot was "to the gills", but he only ran 4 seconds faster than Webb. Webb was about 10% heavier than El G.

10% more mass will be about 4-6% more muscle in an elite athlete. So, we say Webb had about 5% more non-functional mass, which will equate to about 3% slower given the same power outputs.

3:26 * 1.03 = 3:32

How much drafting went on in each of their PRs?

Put a gun to my head and ask me if I think El G doped I answer "yes."

Put a gun to my head and ask me if I think there is a very real possibility El G did NOT dope and I answer "yes."

If nothing else, he looks freakin sweet when he runs, and that is most important.

The problem is, you did not vote often enough. That way that results would have been just the way you wanted them to be.

"In the mid-1980s Steve Ovett caused a storm when he refused to sign a petition circulated by British athletes condemning doping. Ovett said he had seen some of the names on the list, knew what was going on and did not wish to be associated with them.

One of the names on it was Linford Christie, who at the time paraded in a T-shirt bearing the legend 'Drug free'. He demanded prison sentences for anyone who failed a test. I wonder what his views on that are now, after he recently completed a two-year ban for nandrolone."

(From that article)

Wow, I understand what some of the posters are getting at, and what the poster who linked to this old article was hinting at. A lot of the whole pretense about transparency and forthrightedness is stained by the obvious current and future dopers who take part in such shameless Pr nonsense, and then there is the mystery lurking beyond the veil, of those top athletes and whether some of them might be living a life of doped training. Tyson Gay, of course, before he got nabbed, was one of those part of an explicit accountability campaign, supposedly, to have himself tested even more rigorously than necessary.

Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:

Doped up again wrote:

Are people naive or just plain stupid?

I have to think El G Spot was "to the gills", but he only ran 4 seconds faster than Webb. Webb was about 10% heavier than El G.

10% more mass will be about 4-6% more muscle in an elite athlete. So, we say Webb had about 5% more non-functional mass, which will equate to about 3% slower given the same power outputs.

3:26 * 1.03 = 3:32

How much drafting went on in each of their PRs?

Put a gun to my head and ask me if I think El G doped I answer "yes."

Put a gun to my head and ask me if I think there is a very real possibility El G did NOT dope and I answer "yes."

If nothing else, he looks freakin sweet when he runs, and that is most important.

Webb ran no better when he "leaned out" under Salazar.