I saw that Sage state 2M in 2000 where he finished in 57-58. Two things about that race:
1. Sage let Tim Keller lead until about 470y remained. Nelson's last lap was probably 71. Everyone in the stadium knew Keller was going to get buried, although Keller was no slouch.
2. Sage obviously had much more in the tank. Had he time-trialed that race without the mile hanging over his head, he might have run 8:35. I was disappointed Sage coasted 88% of that race.
Sage was a team guy who always ran for points. But I left that meet feeling a little cheated. Too much coulda, woulda, shoulda.
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Alex ag rith wrote:
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Emil Zatopek 1952 Olympic 5000 meters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINaVe0oyx0
Emil takes a lead on the backstretch, but Chataway and the German guy sweep by.
Coming off the final turn, Zatopek finds an INSANE gear and just smokes 'em!
It's a different era, but just fantastic. Note Mimoun running for silver, he's so whipped he can barely lift his legs off the track but he wills himself to second. It underlines Zatopek's achievement. -
I recall Morceli running an incredible last 400m in (possibly) his only serious 5,000m race. Think it was in 1994 and he ran something like 13.04.
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SMJO wrote:
This, by far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0cyKvkcKx4
that was straight crazy. secretariat style. no wonder she was related. -
Geoffrv wrote:
I recall Morceli running an incredible last 400m in (possibly) his only serious 5,000m race. Think it was in 1994 and he ran something like 13.04.
Tried searching Youtube but couldn't find anything though.
I too have never seen a video of that race.
You can get his closing splits from the awesome Morceli fan page. (http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~tetreaul/mstats.html) This page is well worth exploring as a piece of internet as well as track history--a genuine 1990s web page that is still online. Morceli closed in 51.93 in a 13:03.85 5000m. (Or perhaps it was 52.2 as reported at this page: http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics/algerie/noureddine-morceli-1209/third-consecutive-world-1500m-title_a09189/)
The race was at that year's Zurich meet. It had been hyped as a world record attempt. (http://www.nytimes.com/1994/08/16/sports/track-and-field-records-could-be-falling-at-zurich-s-5000-meters.html) The record at that time was 12:56.16. But I have always heard that the race was run in a downpour--according to the meet website, "5.3 litres of rain per square metre between 8.40 p.m. and 9.40 p.m. - torrential conditions in the Letzigrund Stadium." (http://www.diamondleague-zurich.com/en/Meet-Info/Who-we-are/80-Years-of-History/) So the race went out too slowly and the record attempt was off.
The results are available here: http://gold.milesplit.com/meets/133104
Contrary to what you usually hear, he did also run one other top-level 5000m, at Rieti that year, in 13:07. -
Horst Girth wrote:
Emil Zatopek 1952 Olympic 5000 meters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINaVe0oyx0
Emil takes a lead on the backstretch, but Chataway and the German guy sweep by.
Coming off the final turn, Zatopek finds an INSANE gear and just smokes 'em!
It's a different era, but just fantastic. Note Mimoun running for silver, he's so whipped he can barely lift his legs off the track but he wills himself to second. It underlines Zatopek's achievement.
how about the dude who takes a digger with 125m to go? awesome. -
"greatest" kick? i'd have to go with Kim Conley's 5k in the Oly Trials.
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sire of broad appeal wrote:
how about the dude who takes a digger with 125m to go? awesome.
He took an even bigger one a couple of weeks ago. -
This is the best kick where Ereng sets the indoor world record. It is also the best call.
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Wottle didn't kick. He ran an evenly-paced race, and waited for the rest of the field to die.
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said88 wrote:
I can't remember exactly his time for the last 100m, but it definitely was well over 12 seconds.
post the ryun dusseldorf video -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5iCsymMj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vOhMwRQwI#t=2m25s
Billy Mills it is! Thanks to Robert Paulson and aslan for answering my thread and doing the work for me.
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Qualifying Circumstances wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F5iCsymMj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vOhMwRQwI#t=2m25s
Billy Mills it is! Thanks to Robert Paulson and aslan for answering my thread and doing the work for me.
E/O/T
That is not the best kick, it is just an odd American kick. And Mills should have stayed with Clarke down the backstretch.
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The best kick I saw came from my national highschool champs where the winner of the 800m won the most anticipated race of the meet in 1:50.2. His opening lap was 57.4 and then he kicked off hard with 300m left and closed in 52.8. It was intense.
http://nzrun.com/coverage/240513-2011-NZ-Secondary-Schools-TF-Champs/video/535754-Senior-Boys-800m-Final -
Red Arrow wrote:Only you could take a 1:44.8 even paced run and turn it into a 1:41 performance
again you show you have no clue
you seem incapable of watching a race & judging talent
that was an awesome run & reminds me of the leg-speed & power of a nijel of current guys
this was ereng's peak run of his career & very certainly he looked a 1'42-flat talent at worst that day
I can't believe you actually think half the things you come up with are even remotely possible
clearly you don't try to think
For a start his last 200 was 25.7 and his last 100 was 13.1. That isn't a kick. He's actually slowing down in the second half of the last lap. A kick is when you speed up
nonsense
no one has ever said anything about a kick having to be faster than other 200s
most fast 800 races have initial 200 as quickest
the only time in last 50y+ that the final 200 has been quicker than any other 200 in any 800wr was ryun in '66
A final kick is at the end of the race. Ereng was slowing down at the end of the race, but the rest of the field were slowing down at a faster rate
why state the completely obvious ???
So it doesn't even qualify for this thread which is about a 'final kick'
nonsense
a kick is the finish
it has nothing to do with any other 200s in the race, just relative to the field
There have been dozens of races where the last 100 has been covered faster than 13.1
go fetch them for an indoor 1'44 or better ???
He didn't run 6m wide. More like 3m in total. He was close to inside of lane 1 for first 3 laps. On the last lap he ran both curves on outside of lane 1 but spent hardly any time in lane 2. You do realise this is an indoor 200m track and not 400m?
again you are clueless & no grasp of maths
he ran last 2 curves on lane 2 line or worse - see 1'35 into race & see where his feet are
an outdoor track radius is 36.9, for indoors it is 18.45m
running whole of indoor curve ~ 1.0m wide adds distance of :
(18.45 + 1.0)*pi - (18.45*pi) = 3.14m
he did this for last curves = 2 * 3.14 = 6.28
If he'd run a 400 track curve on outside edge of lane 1 that would have been 3m. The 2 curves on the 200 track are half as long as the outdoor ones, meaning the 2 curves together are equivalent to running the last bend wide on a 400 track. To run 6m extra on just one curve of a 400 track he'd have to run it practically all in lane 3
it is clear you have no clue about maths
see above
His last 2 x 100m were 12.6/13.1.
He ran about 1.5m extra on each of those 100 splits, so that works out more like 12.4/ 12.9 for 25.3 in a 1:44.4
nonsense
he ran ~ 806+m in 1'44.84, which for 800m ->
1'44-flat with no effective drafting
There is no way that is worth anything approaching 1:42 let alone 1:41
more nonsense
that is much faster than borza who ran 1'44.15i, which was route-1 race & no wide-running & drafting for a long way
borza ran 1'42.4 that same year outdoors
paul can be assumed to have that as an absolute slowest & likely some tenths better
Ereng had plenty of paced attempts outdoors in 88 & 89 and couldn't break 1:43.
again clueless
this was his peak day of his career
he had a long unbeaten run outdoors until mckean race but he went for wins, ovett-style of '77/'78 rather than chase the clock
& in '88 he wasn't spending much time on the circuit - he raced primarily to prepare for games
his budapest form indicates a guy in 1'42-flat at worst outdoors -
Bekele in the 10,000m in Athens. Of course it's a solo finish because no one stays near. Final 500m of 1:07.5. Together with El Guerrouj in the same Olympics some level we will hardly see ever again!
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Horst Girth wrote:
Emil Zatopek 1952 Olympic 5000 meters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINaVe0oyx0
Emil takes a lead on the backstretch, but Chataway and the German guy sweep by.
Coming off the final turn, Zatopek finds an INSANE gear and just smokes 'em!
It's a different era, but just fantastic. Note Mimoun running for silver, he's so whipped he can barely lift his legs off the track but he wills himself to second. It underlines Zatopek's achievement.
It's a great finish. Zatopek had already launched a sprint at the bell and then he looked destroyed but somehow he launched yet another sprint around the final bend on the outside of lane 2 to get around a group of 3 guys all gunning for the tape. Alain Mimoun had heavy shrapnel injuries in his legs from his action in World War 2 so he always carried a slight limp from that incident which became more apparent when he was sprinting flat out.
Another great last lap finish was Lasse Viren holding off a bunch of world-class milers in the 5000m final of the Montreal Olympics ... -
Indeed Chris Chataway took a spill with 100 to go in the Olympic 5000 final vs. Zatopek, he'd kicked hard too soon and paid the price.
Here is Chataway's brilliant kick in 1954 for a world record 5000 vs. future Olympic double champ Vladimir Kuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXLX3WYFtY
