I can see where my remarks might have been misunderstood. That I said "this" rather than "these" to me indicated I was talking about Worlds. So thanks for the benefit of the doubt. But I would say that a January meet at UW is a far cry from any National Senior track meet and certainly Worlds. And that Cain competed at 5000 as a backup so if she didn't advance in the rounds of the 1500 at Nationals is true, but that scarcely means that all of a sudden she's a 5000 meter runner. About beating Shannon Rowbury--well, I suppose one could say she was out of form, but this was Nationals, this was qualifying for Worlds, Cain did beat her, and Rowbury then qualified in the 5000. Finally, here are three of the early comments on this thread: “In other news, Mary Cain switches out of the mile race in two weeks (to duck Alexa) after having already switched out of the 800m (to duck others).” “Down goes Cain! Down goes Cain! Kind of reminds you that while Cain is running these meaningless race all for publicity that all AlSal really is nothing more than a high school coach.” “Maybe she's [Cain’s] afraid to race her own peers... and possibly get beat.” These suggest a slightly different take on the direction of the thread.
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Yes, it may be possible for Efraimson to be at the same level this spring and summer that Cain was last year--and I think if she does this, it would be great. However, here's the thing: Cain made a World final and came in second at ourdoor Nationals, beating people like Shannon Rowbury. That's not a matter of possibility, that's a matter of actuality--simply amazing for a high school junior. And I wasn't belittling the UW meet: I simply said it's a far cry from running in the World Final. Do you disagree with that? And as for comparing things, Cain is a 800/1500 runner. She will be that for the next five to ten years. I might compare her in the 10,000 to Hasay, to whom she would lose badly, I assume. But even if that were true, it would not say anything about Hasay. Similarly about Efraimson. She ran a great 3000, especially for a high school junior. How does it elevate that achievement by wondering, against any possibility, how she would do or would have done against Cain?
She beat an out of form Shannon Rowbury. She would never beat an in shape Rowbury.
Why does the achievement need to be elevated? That's not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is that Efraimson ran 9:00 and might now be on the same path as Cain. Nowhere in the title of this thread does it say "come here so we can elevate Efraimson's achievement". It's ok to just have a discussion. Why do we need to elevate anything?
It's perfectly fine to talk about how they all would have done at NXN because Cain competed in highschool xc and at NXN. So it's not at all like comparing her to Hasay in a 10000. HS xc is an event and SEASON that Cain did for years. So you're absolutely wrong about this. It's no less valid than talking about how she would do against anyone else in the 800/1500.
In fact, Cain is not just an 800/1500m runner. She has competed in the 3k, 2 mile, and 5k also. Not only competed, but went after RECORDS. So you're wrong about that also. So it's perfectly sensical to talk about how these girls would do against each other in events that they all regularly compete in (middle distance).
And yes I disagree with your comment. You are now changing your story. You didn't say it was a far cry from the world final. You said it was a far cry from US indoor nats last year, outdoor champs, and the world final. Don't be dishonest.