Sub 2:22 Marathon Training Treadmill Question?

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I am not close to your level, but interested in seeing serious responses. If you get any.

anyone ?

Antionio Vega ran 1:02 and won the U.S half champs in 2010 Running 90 % of his training on the treadmill, So I am going to say you would be fine. Read Vega's article above.

I'm not sure which year it was, but I seem to remember one of the top 3 women trained primarily on a treadmill. She was from Alaska and trained on the treadmill almost exclusively. And, she made the team. I want to say it was 2000 or 2004

Quality of the treadmill will be a factor. You must not just keep it on a flat grade. You have to incorporate some hills now and then.

Mick Lovin wrote:

I'm not sure which year it was, but I seem to remember one of the top 3 women trained primarily on a treadmill. She was from Alaska and trained on the treadmill almost exclusively. And, she made the team. I want to say it was 2000 or 2004

Quality of the treadmill will be a factor. You must not just keep it on a flat grade. You have to incorporate some hills now and then.

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I'd also be curious to know if anybody else at that kind of level runs a lot of miles on a treadmill. The only person that I know that is even close to that level that runs a significant percentage on a treadmill is a guy in Louisiana. We don't have the best runners in the nation to put it mildly but we do have a few pretty good ones. One of the better marathoners from the state is a Baton Rouge implant named Matthew Manning who runs Boston every year in about 2:28 (usually good for top 50). I was curious about his training and found one of his old blogs/running logs and was fascinated to find out he does a ton of mileage on a treadmill - http://mmanningruns.blogspot.com. And I know I've watched and read clips from several experts including Alberto say that scientifically speaking running on the treadmill is very close to running outside but you may need to add resistance to make up for wind resistance etc. I think if I had a treadmill at my house I would like getting on it much more because I could put a big fan blowing on me but when I'm at the gym I sweat a ton on a treadmill and it's embarrassing and not healthy (for a longer run 8-15m). Those small fans built in to the machine do nothing for me. Also, my stride definitely changes on a treadmill. Not to mention that I don't run outside at a constant pace. I don't like not being able to naturally pick it up for a few strides then back off. A long run at that constant stride pace/pattern just kills me.Good luck training for Miami

INGChampSam wrote:

Hi,

I am looking to run sub 2:22 in my next upcoming Marathon (ING Miami)Besides the weather etc.. MY question is I am only able to do so many miles outside, then turn to the treadmill at night for about the same distance. Will running on the treadmill hurt me, overall? vs is I was to just run both run's outside.(execpt-life I can't/Family)

Has anyone done this, that can help me out or how your result was by doing just under half your weekly mileage on the treadmill, and about 60 percent outside. I do my long run or long workout on sundays which is outside.

Or has anyone just specifically ran 90 mpw on the treadmill and ran sub 2:22 ? or close ?

Please any advice would be helpful.

Ain't that the truth wrote:

I think if I had a treadmill at my house I would like getting on it much more because I could put a big fan blowing on me but when I'm at the gym I sweat a ton on a treadmill and it's embarrassing and not healthy (for a longer run 8-15m).

A big box fan and netflix are great for a treadmill.

I was trying to remember who I saw in Runner's World a few years back, but I'm pretty sure it was Magdalena. I seem to remember it was because of having the kid(s) and scheduling. It was a pretty interesting article.

Thought culpepper and Radcliffe did a lot of treadmill training.

One other thing that is good for treadmill training: Heat training. It is pretty easy to hop on with your sweats on if you have one at home. At the gym people think you are crazy.

Having a treadmill at home is awesome and I hate hate hate the treadmill. I have one and it is very easy to just hop on at night for some extra miles that I wouldn't do otherwise (I have a baby). I can see myself in the future when I am busier to get the majority of my miles on the treadmill at night.

The Running Times has this profile of a top over-50 runner that does a lot of his mileage on a Treadmill:

http://www.runnersworld.com/masters-profiles/lightening-load

That guy is a bad mother f-----, throwing down some triples! I hope I can run a 2:30's marathon in my 50's.

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I'm running the half at Miami and have done 80% of my miles over the last three months on the treadmill. That's the most I've ever done so it's a bit of an experiment for me as well. I am definitely no stranger to the treadmill in marathon training though. My marathon PR is 2:23 and when I ran that I did all my long runs and tempo runs on the treadmill. I found it so helpful with pacing and pushing myself. I definitely ran much harder than I ever would have by myself.

What exactly are you looking for advice on? The only general advice I can give is to never listen to the people that say you have to put the treadmill on an incline to make it more like running outside. Of course the effort to run 5:25 on the treadmill is less than running 5:25 outside, but rather than putting the treadmill on incline, just run faster. Instead of running at 11.1, run at 11.3. The incline will just mess with your stride and possibly your achilles. Running faster as a lower effort on the other hand will increase your leg speed and help your rhythm running.

thanks for your advice, a few years back I did about 80-90 MPW basically all on the treadmill in preparation for a half marathon in which I thought I was in way better shape, as the workouts on the treadmill indicated. But then again it was 17 degrees the day of the half I ran and ended up running 1:13:38. But workouts indicated I should of been around 1:08, So, that is why I raised the question of this.

Thanks,

great point but as someone who prefers an incline both for comfort (I hate running flat bad form results) and strength, I can tell you that doing most of your treadmill work at a 2-5% incline will make that difference when you go back outside, I had to do 2 60 mile weeks on a treadmill because of snow and when I went back outside I was in noticeably better shape