Running on Empathy wrote:
Some observations ...
4. The running boom of the 80's seemed to have planted the seeds of low-intensity/high-mileage training as the "norm", a training technique not necessarily in synch with a high-intensity/speed oriented approach to middle distance running.
To me, the 80s were the opposite. It was the Runnersworld decasde of let's do as little as possible. When I was a senior in HS in 1992, my dad paid for me to get a training plan that maxed out at like 35 mpw.
I guess the article is about mid-d but in talking about the rise distance and mid-d in general in the US, i think a big part of is it knoweldge. We've gone back to the basics. Big Base + altitude (high/low trianing).
coach d wrote:
The internet? Seriously?
Notice that Monti didn't even mention the word internet. I think you know what Salazar and Mary Cain think of internet message boards.
Yes the Internet. Look, Cain and Alberto can not like getting criticized but the fact of the matter is the Internet is a huge driving force behind the drop in times in this country.
1) Proper training knoweldge got out there quick once the Internet got big. But it even has an impact on subtle stuff. How did my brother choose flagstaff? He knew he wanted to do high/low and then asked for suggestions on the Internet and Mike Rohl responded. Weldon then posted about it and lots of others learned about it, etc. Back in the day, if you didn't know the experts yourself personally, you were screwed
2) Cain herself admitted she watched NXN on the Internet. When I was in HS in 1992, my buddy had to wait 4-5 weeks to see if he was still ranked in the top 10 in the country at 9:11 for 3200 when TFN came out. Now kids know immediately, "I may be good in my tiny town but I suck nationally."
You also hear about other HSers training. So 50 or even 70 mpw doesnt seem weird.
coach d wrote:
When's the last time you saw Salazar boasting about how many miles his athletes run? But he talks about Rupp's claimed sprinting speed...and he talks about how slow Farah ran his mileage before NOP and how he runs it quite a bit faster now. With Centro, he talks about the 80 meter sprints instituted last spring.
Plenty of times Salazar talks about mileage. I provide two examples below.
When I think of Rupp's big improvement over the last few years and debate people who don't believe it is possible without PEDs, I often think about how it would be possible without PEDs from a coaching standpoint. Here is the argument I give the naysayers:
In 2011, Al Sal told LetsRun that Rupp was running 80mpw and that it would be increased to 110 or 120 mpw:
Rupp himself around that time said the workout's he hated most were continous runs. He loved repeats but not tempos.
When I heard that, I remember thinking, "My god, you've got a 13:07/27:10 guy who barely runs, looks very young and doesn't even do a lot of continous tempos. Those two things are distance running."
So he runs 25-50% more and starts doing tempos - of course he's going to improve - a lot.
As for Farah, Salazar just recently said he's going to double his mileage for his marathon.
So there you have it. Twice Salazar talks about mileage.
But my goodness, you act like Salazar made Cain and Centro. Cain was a superstar before Alberto coached her as was Centro. Centro won a World Championship medal in college and his father was an American record holder.
Give him credit for Rupp/Farah but Cain/Centro??
Trivia question: Name the coach of Kenenisa Bekele or Asbel Kiprop? I don't even know it.
Uceny, Rowbury, Rupp, Solinsky - all stars with different coaches. The athletes is the key - not the coach.