Margus Hunt, Cincy Bengals Rookie DE.
6-8, 280 lbs. 4.60 40-yd, Benched 225 lbs 38 times. Benched 385 lbs 5 times. 36" vertical. 2006, finished 1st in both shot put & discus at World Junior Champs.
Is this even more *raw* Decathlon talent than Ashton??
Margus Hunt - 6-8, 280lbs - More raw Decathlon talent than Ashton?
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If they had a decathlon for 250+ pounds he would win the gold medal, too big to compete with the likes of Eaton but is comparatively just as athletic. World Junior medalist in shot/disc I believe.
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He could beat Ashton Eaton in the discus and javelin... And that's it. 4.6 is impressive for a man his size. But no, Eaton has way more talent on the track and I'd like to see Hunt try to pole vault.
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He'd beat Ashton in the throws no doubt. But if they had a decathlon for 250 pound + guys Lebron would probably win
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Sure. If we go with 250+ pounders then I'd like to see what guys like Jimmy Graham and Brandon Jacobs could do as well. If we are talking just plain Decathlon talent, Ashton Eaton is better onviously.
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ttc wrote:
Margus Hunt, Cincy Bengals Rookie DE.
6-8, 280 lbs. 4.60 40-yd, Benched 225 lbs 38 times. Benched 385 lbs 5 times. 36" vertical. 2006, finished 1st in both shot put & discus at World Junior Champs.
Is this even more *raw* Decathlon talent than Ashton??
Hard to say. What's his fran time? -
Hey, I didn't ask who'd win right now, but who has the ***more raw talent to develop*** off of, if you had say 3 years.
I mean, that 6-8 280 lb height & weight should not run a 4.6. Those long arms (6-10 reach) should not bench 385 lbs 5X. 280 lbs -> 36" vertical. Then you have World Junior Champ in a couple throwing events & former World Junior Record Holder in 1 of them (Discus). -
Hunt could train for 5 years and I guarantee he still loses to Eaton in every track race and the non-throwing field events. This isn't a slam on Hunt, Eaton is really fast. No 250 lb man can out sprint him. Yes, Eaton is more developed so I guess you could say Hunt has "more raw talent to develop". But Eaton has more overall Decathlon talent period. It's just already developed. Hunt could never come anywhere close to what Eaton runs on the track. Do you how fast Eaton is?
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ttc wrote:
Margus Hunt, Cincy Bengals Rookie DE.
6-8, 280 lbs. 4.60 40-yd, Benched 225 lbs 38 times. Benched 385 lbs 5 times. 36" vertical. 2006, finished 1st in both shot put & discus at World Junior Champs.
Is this even more *raw* Decathlon talent than Ashton??
Pretty sure Jacko Gill would beat him in every event, so kind of a moot question. -
There is no doubt this man is a physical specimen. I'm sure he could put together a fine decathlon too. However you are comparing him to a man who has one of the best physical memories of any athlete ever. In terms of raw talent Ashton has made unbelievably quick strides when changing form, technique, training, learning a new physical skill. Read about his training specifically in the hurdles, throws, and PV. He also happens to not only hold the decathlon world record but has individual decathlon world records in 3 events and is world class in 4 events individually.
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Would love to see a 6'8 guy run the 110HH. I also don't think they make poles for 280 pound guys. I checked the Essx site(a brand) and they max out at 225. A lot of weight to lose and I'm sure that would also mean muscle too.
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Mrr82 wrote:
Pretty sure Jacko Gill would beat him in every event, so kind of a moot question.
Good point. He's only 18, 6'3 260 and could CRUSH Hunt in the shot put, has an amazing vertical leap, and can probably beat hunt in the 100. -
ttc wrote:
Hey, I didn't ask who'd win right now, but who has the ***more raw talent to develop*** off of, if you had say 3 years.
I mean, that 6-8 280 lb height & weight should not run a 4.6. Those long arms (6-10 reach) should not bench 385 lbs 5X. 280 lbs -> 36" vertical. Then you have World Junior Champ in a couple throwing events & former World Junior Record Holder in 1 of them (Discus).
What does his height and arm length have to do with anything? These events are about MUSCLES not the length or weight of body parts. It should be expected for a large muscular guy to have a quick 40 yd dash time. -
isksk wrote:
ttc wrote:
Hey, I didn't ask who'd win right now, but who has the ***more raw talent to develop*** off of, if you had say 3 years.
I mean, that 6-8 280 lb height & weight should not run a 4.6. Those long arms (6-10 reach) should not bench 385 lbs 5X. 280 lbs -> 36" vertical. Then you have World Junior Champ in a couple throwing events & former World Junior Record Holder in 1 of them (Discus).
What does his height and arm length have to do with anything? These events are about MUSCLES not the length or weight of body parts. It should be expected for a large muscular guy to have a quick 40 yd dash time.
My point is, if he can bench 385 lbs 5X at 6-8, run 4.6 & vertical 36" at 280 lbs- then nothing is out of reach.
A 40 yd dash should be a real issue for a at his height, weight. How fast & vertical would he be if he actually trimmed down some & trained specifically to run & jump- which he's never done?? Plus, his height is more fitting to high hurdle & 400M. Going 4.60 at his dimensions indicate unreal explosion, given it's hard to "unwind" that fast in only 40 yds. And with the long arms, benching 385 lbs 5X means he's even stronger than other guys doing the same. It all correlates to excelling at anything athletically- even when he shouldn't. And if you're going to play dumb on this obvious point, then don't bother. -
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Come on. Ashton Eaton has done the following:
100m- 10.21
110H- 13.35
400m- 45.6
LJ- 27ft
PV- 17-4
HJ- 6-10.5
Hunt, regardless of training time, would never come close to any of these marks. Eaton's 4:14 in the 1500m is also much better than you will see a 280 lb man do. There is a reason Eaton has the world record. People from my HS have gone 4.6 with a vertical around 35". Eaton could qualify for the finals of the 110 hurdles and long jump without solely focusing on either event. -
I understand. But if Ashton never trained running/jumping, & was in the NFL like Hunt, he wouldn't be doing those times/marks. I'm talking *raw* talent, not trained product.
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I think Eaton could have played football and had similar marks in the sprints and LJ. Obviously training improves what you can do but giving the same training time I'm saying Hunt could not ever touch those marks. A man his size cannot run faster or do a long jump & pole vault better than Eaton can. There is no foot race distance Hunt would ever be better than Eaton at. I agree Hunt has exceptional athleticism for a big guy though.
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ttc wrote:
My point is, if he can bench 385 lbs 5X at 6-8, run 4.6 & vertical 36" at 280 lbs- then nothing is out of reach.
A 40 yd dash should be a real issue for a at his height, weight. How fast & vertical would he be if he actually trimmed down some & trained specifically to run & jump- which he's never done?? Plus, his height is more fitting to high hurdle & 400M. Going 4.60 at his dimensions indicate unreal explosion, given it's hard to "unwind" that fast in only 40 yds. And with the long arms, benching 385 lbs 5X means he's even stronger than other guys doing the same. It all correlates to excelling at anything athletically- even when he shouldn't. And if you're going to play dumb on this obvious point, then don't bother.
Your point is wrong. His height and weight have nothing to do with "unwinding" or running fast or slow. It's all about power to weight ratio.
And his arm length has nothing to do with anything. It certainly does not mean he's stronger than other guys doing the same. That statement doesn't even make sense. If he was stronger then why didn't he lift a higher number? If two guys bench 385 then they are equally strong. That's what the number means. -
Decathlon is like triathlon.
Decathlon: throwers never win. Runners win.
Triathlon: Swimmers never win. cyclists win. -
Zu Hoch wrote:
...I checked the Essx site(a brand) and they max out at 225. A lot of weight to lose and I'm sure that would also mean muscle too.
They will custom make poles at higher weights if you have deep pockets.
If he dropped 25lbs and had superior technique you can get away with jumping on poles 20-30lbs under weight and still be effective
