Does anyone care about FootLocker CC Champs?

motorcross (and other sports) can monitor points and leaders in their sport quit easy.....which is actually harder to do...but they do it, i am sure if NCAAs tried.... they could change things and teams would become the priority!...????...but probably wont! Teams are for the locals (mintories) and individual are for the masses (majorities)...I love XC, but have no loyality to any teams, the race is for who wins all the Marbles!

Can someone tell me how the Michigan teams did in the "true" national champuonship"

Also remind me how Wilmot fared against the 1-2 at Fl West this season.

The girls race at NXN was something for the ages. Apart from that, just another meet.

Not necessarily, though it has been that way for the last few years.

Footlocker on the girls side was a big deal in 2008 though, when Hasay, Brasovan, and Kroeger were all in the race, each trying to defend their title (first time ever there were 3 Footlocker champions in one race).

Not necessarily, though it has been that way for the last few years.

Footlocker on the girls side was a big deal in 2008 though, when Hasay, Brasovan, and Kroeger were all in the race, each trying to defend their title (first time ever there were 3 Footlocker champions in one race).

Not necessarily, though it has been that way for the last few years.

Footlocker on the girls side was a big deal in 2008 though, when Hasay, Brasovan, and Kroeger were all in the race, each trying to defend their title (first time ever there were 3 Footlocker champions in one race).

Actual Logician wrote:

Can someone tell me how the Michigan teams did in the "true" national champuonship"

Also remind me how Wilmot fared against the 1-2 at Fl West this season.

So NXN is at fault for Michigan having archaic rules? What team in Michigan would have won or finished on the podium this past week?

Yeah, that's the way racing always works out, right? Not saying Wilmot would win FL, but to dismiss his performance just shows your ignorance. The kid is very talented (sub 9 as a sophomore) and spent part of his senior year hurt. Fortunately for him he was firing on all cylinders last Saturday. Beating Cerake alone is a great feat. This guy is the real deal and, if I'm not mistaken, broke one of Goucher's course records in Colorado. Goucher seemed to have a pretty good post-season in HS.

Footlocker's team concept is much better than Nike's, and closer to what happens at World Cross Country.

International teams don't take also rans to compete, they take the best runners from their countries, and they are the ones on their teams, not the tail enders from local schools.

The problem is I have no allegiance to who I'm running with on that team (Midwest if I was running) if anything they used to be my biggest competition when I was running in my state meet. Maybe if it was a state team I could find common ground to prove that my state is the best, but other than that I don't care if Midwest or West or X is better it's all about how I do, and if I do well and my region wins Whoopdey do I can be happy about another thing. In world cross the teams are held together by nationalism, and state pride could hold together state teams but regions for Highschoolers? its to much of a separation for them to commonly unite. Everyone treats FL as an individuals competition, when was the last time a person in an interview from FL said something similar to "Well I really want to get out and run my race and see where it puts me among the best, but also most importantly to help my team to win the meet.", plenty of High School XC teams would have members that say that but I doubt many FL competitors would say that. Also shown through no use of team tactics in the FL races, its every man for himself.

Gym Class Shuffle wrote:

In world cross the teams are held together by nationalism

That's not by choice; that's the only way they can run. They might not even like each other, and have friends in other countries, but they have to run based on their nationalism. Personally I feel that's a negative thing.

when was the last time a person in an interview from FL said something similar to "Well I really want to get out and run my race and see where it puts me among the best, but also most importantly to help my team to win the meet."

The midwest girls said exactly that a year ago when they won.

You missed the point. Largely because you chose to pretend I said things that I didn't say. Ironic considering your handle. No one is to "blame" for anything. Wilmot is a fine runner but seeing the guy who toasted him in their last meeting is pretty exciting. There is no true national championship. There are two. Each has strengths and weaknesses. I was on the edge of my seat over the NXN women's race but especially after borderclash had little interest in the men's individual scenario. It was probably Saturday night before I remembered to ask who won. This weekend I'm interested to see how Maton does not only overall but in relation to history. I'm thinking he's good for a sub 15. I also really look forward to "Morley at Morley" headlines. I'm looking for a very low 17 from her. That would earn her #4 in the country status.

living in reality wrote:

Actual Logician wrote:

Can someone tell me how the Michigan teams did in the "true" national champuonship"

Also remind me how Wilmot fared against the 1-2 at Fl West this season.

So NXN is at fault for Michigan having archaic rules? What team in Michigan would have won or finished on the podium this past week?

Yeah, that's the way racing always works out, right? Not saying Wilmot would win FL, but to dismiss his performance just shows your ignorance. The kid is very talented (sub 9 as a sophomore) and spent part of his senior year hurt. Fortunately for him he was firing on all cylinders last Saturday. Beating Cerake alone is a great feat. This guy is the real deal and, if I'm not mistaken, broke one of Goucher's course records in Colorado. Goucher seemed to have a pretty good post-season in HS.

I don't know if it's Nike people constantly trying to rag on Footlocker, but I can't see what anyone would have against it. Who hates this super exciting elite race? The concept is undeniably awesome, and way more captivating than the team clusterf@ck at NXN, where any schmuck can run if he has some good teammates. Footlocker is the Olympics of HS XC. Just saying "I ran at Footlocker" means you are legit. Not so for NXN. And I say this as one of the schmucks who would never make Footlocker. I love to race, but I wouldn't tune in to watch me race, which is the problem with the team champs. I don't give a flying f@ck who the team HS champs are.

Long live Footlocker.

mr interested thinker wrote:

I don't know if it's Nike people constantly trying to rag on Footlocker, but I can't see what anyone would have against it. Who hates this super exciting elite race? The concept is undeniably awesome, and way more captivating than the team clusterf@ck at NXN, where any schmuck can run if he has some good teammates. Footlocker is the Olympics of HS XC. Just saying "I ran at Footlocker" means you are legit. Not so for NXN. And I say this as one of the schmucks who would never make Footlocker. I love to race, but I wouldn't tune in to watch me race, which is the problem with the team champs. I don't give a flying f@ck who the team HS champs are.

Long live Footlocker.

Or maybe, you are Footlocker employee (nice striped shirt BTW) trying to rip the Nike meet.

Or you are an even bigger schmuck who can't even make it to NXN with the benefit of some good teammates.

I care tangentially because one of my son's teammates is running, and if he does well, I hope it serves as some inspiration to my kid. It's also pretty cool to see a kid progress from 17s to 15:low and make it to a "national championship".

regional teams vs schools wrote:

Footlocker's team concept is much better than Nike's, and closer to what happens at World Cross Country.

International teams don't take also rans to compete, they take the best runners from their countries, and they are the ones on their teams, not the tail enders from local schools.

Well then, let's apply this to the NCAA as well - too many "tail enders" getting a free trip to a national meet. Perhaps the NCAA should just take the top 7 from each region to the NCAA championships. Score it by region instead of university. Too much dead weight at the NCAA meet.

J.R. wrote:

Gym Class Shuffle wrote:

In world cross the teams are held together by nationalism

That's not by choice; that's the only way they can run. They might not even like each other, and have friends in other countries, but they have to run based on their nationalism. Personally I feel that's a negative thing.

when was the last time a person in an interview from FL said something similar to "Well I really want to get out and run my race and see where it puts me among the best, but also most importantly to help my team to win the meet."

The midwest girls said exactly that a year ago when they won.

Haha but you fell for their trap, we should know by now that anything girls say is the exact opposite, they probably hated eachother's guts and just wanted to look pretty for the camera.

I don't get what the difference between having a team national championship in high school is compared to college. They both should crown a team championship and NXN is more like NCAA's then Footlocker is. If you think footlocker is the better even then maybe NCAA's should just have 4 regions and 10 people qualify from each region then. But that would never happen because cross country is a team event. That is why NXN is the better event.

this logic wrote:

I don't get what the difference between having a team national championship in high school is compared to college. They both should crown a team championship and NXN is more like NCAA's then Footlocker is. If you think footlocker is the better even then maybe NCAA's should just have 4 regions and 10 people qualify from each region then. But that would never happen because cross country is a team event. That is why NXN is the better event.

Are people at Nike all stupid, or just a few of you?

The extremist posts on both sides of the coin here are ridiculous. How many of you have been to both meets?

I've been to both, several times each, and I can TELL YOU THEY ARE BOTH GREAT EVENTS FOR SEVERAL REASONS! Is that really hard for so many of you to understand?

Ask athletes who have been to both. Almost all will sing the praises of both. Ask coaches who have been to both, they say the same thing.

Now, is it unfortunate that the events didn't unite or that we don't have one national championship? Sure. But that ship kinda sailed a long time ago. If it happened in the future, great, but most of us inside the sport accepted both co-existing long ago.

As for the individual strength of both events, it varies from year to year. Sure, NXN has made Foot Locker watered down, but Foot Locker is still pretty great. Most years, the NXN individual races are pretty great, too. If anything, with more opportunities, more kids have worked hard to be great.

I'm telling you, if you go to both events, you appreciate them and don't have some of these idiotic one-sided perspectives.

FootLocker XC is all I care about.. it's the only high school championship around.