That's an interesting chart.
I think my treadmill's at 1 percent, but the difference is much more than that.
reikker wrote:
You obviously haven't ever run on a treadmill. Any dolt immediately feels the difference when switching back and forth between treadmill and outdoor running.
You obviously didn't make it far enough in physics to learn about relative motion.
Of course I've run on a treadmill. I don't make up wild gravity-defying theories about it.
someone had to do it wrote:
http://hillrunner.com/training/tmillchart.php
Why do you idiots keep posting the most idiotic chart ever produced in the history of running?
If you really want an accurate chart of the paces at different inclines use this one.
http://42.195km.net/e/treadsim/Why don't you numbnuts go do a workout on a treadmill using that hillrunner chart and see if it is even remotely accurate. I'm sure all you letsrunners can cruise along pretty easily at 5 minute pace. Hillrunner says you can put the speed at 6:19 pace (9.5 mph) and put the incline at 10% and that will be just like running at 5:01 pace.
My guess is you won't last one mile!!
Hardloper wrote:
Of course I've run on a treadmill.
And you didn't feel any difference? Not very in touch with your body? If you hope to break 20 for a 5k you'd better start listening to what signals you receive, my dear hobby jogger.
reikker wrote:
Treadmill running isn't the same as running outside since the belt is rolling beneath you. It will mess up your gait and give you too much vertical movement.
Everytime someone ask this questions there will be a shitload of bullshit answers.
Marius Bakken (13.06 - 5000) ran a lot on treadmill. Its effective in increasing your running economy, making your stride faster. Most have a too long and slow of a stride.
But, of course, you have to do a lot of toe raises afterwards to make up for the lack of 'push' that you need to do compared to outside.
Ingrid Kristiansen also were a fan of the treadmill.
They both had great improvements using it.
On a treadmill you will also be able to run a tad faster than outside, which can make it easier to improve to a faster pace. The need for oxygen inside will increase steady, and not more and more like outside because of the lack of wind resistance.
Its also warmer and muscles work better in a warm environment than a cold one.
Scandinavian Fellow wrote:
But, of course, you have to do a lot of toe raises afterwards to make up for the lack of 'push' that you need to do compared to outside.
I agree 100% with this.
It always surprises me to read or talk to to others who say they run faster on the treadmill, as I have always ran slower. This is consistent, whether I am at the gym, on my home treadmill or somewhere else, so it is likely not a calibration issue. I am usually a good 15 sec./mi. slower on the treadmill versus running outside, when comparing relatively flat routes to running indoors with no incline. I do have a bit of an odd looking gate, so perhaps the treadmill emphasizes my weaknesses?
With that said, in my experience, doing a substantial amount of treadmill running in the winter months has not seemed to harm my performances, as long as I am doing some outdoor running as well. Since I would otherwise be stuck running in snow and ice in the dark, which equates to a much slower pace than I would run in good conditions, I think the treadmill is often a better option for maintaining fitness.
Struggle on the mill wrote:
It always surprises me to read or talk to to others who say they run faster on the treadmill, as I have always ran slower. This is consistent, whether I am at the gym, on my home treadmill or somewhere else, so it is likely not a calibration issue. I am usually a good 15 sec./mi. slower on the treadmill versus running outside, when comparing relatively flat routes to running indoors with no incline. I do have a bit of an odd looking gate, so perhaps the treadmill emphasizes my weaknesses?
With that said, in my experience, doing a substantial amount of treadmill running in the winter months has not seemed to harm my performances, as long as I am doing some outdoor running as well. Since I would otherwise be stuck running in snow and ice in the dark, which equates to a much slower pace than I would run in good conditions, I think the treadmill is often a better option for maintaining fitness.
could be a heat issue. not much cooling on a TM unless you have a good fan. if it isn't relatively cool in the room, even with a fan, things can be tough.
i think worrying about TM vs outside in the winter is like worrying whether 4min or 5min vo2 intervals are optimal. it probably doesn't matter at all, and even if it does, the difference is completely overwhelmed by the choice to do vo2 intervals in the first place. similarly, just deciding to run and train is likely enough, and whether you do it on the track, roads, or TM is a secondary issue. do what allows you to get the most work in and keeps you motivated and enjoying the sport (i know i dread running outside when it is dark, early, and cold while others dread the "dreadmill").
I can't believe this questions is asked every year. It doesn't matter if they are exactly the same. Measure your heart rate and adjust your speed to train at the same heart rate.
I say it's nice to mix it up once in a while but I wouldn't do all of my training on a treadmill. They definitely will help you w/ your turnover.
reikker wrote:
And you didn't feel any difference? Not very in touch with your body? If you hope to break 20 for a 5k you'd better start listening to what signals you receive, my dear hobby jogger.
Yes I did. The difference is lack of wind resistance, which accounts for the 10 seconds/mile or whatever those charts say. It has nothing to do with "aiding your turnover" or helping your foot move backwards or not requiring you to push off or whatever BS people consistently come up with.
Scandinavian Fellow wrote:
But, of course, you have to do a lot of toe raises afterwards to make up for the lack of 'push' that you need to do compared to outside.
No you don't. The push is the same.
Oh, and I can't believe a guy who 1) never made it to a reasonable level of physics study, and 2) is still a self-proclaimed expert on TREADMILLS, called me a hobbyjogger.
Hardloper wrote:
reikker wrote:And you didn't feel any difference? Not very in touch with your body? If you hope to break 20 for a 5k you'd better start listening to what signals you receive, my dear hobby jogger.
Yes I did. The difference is lack of wind resistance, which accounts for the 10 seconds/mile or whatever those charts say.
Yeah right. Wind resistance is a biiiig factor when you run easy runs.
Listen moron, you have absolutely no real life experience. Why are you so douchy when you're nothing but a slow jogger? Does sitting behind your pc and reading about running make you feel fast or something?
reikker wrote:
Listen moron, you have absolutely no real life experience. Why are you so douchy when you're nothing but a slow jogger? Does sitting behind your pc and reading about running make you feel fast or something?
I didn't think I was being a douche, but apparently you're extra sensitive so I'll try to say this nicely.
Can you start with explaining to me, physically, how running on a treadmill is different from running on the roads, other than wind resistance? Then I can explain to you where your physics exactly misunderstanding is. It should only be high-school level at best so it shouldn't be too difficult, but I recognize not everyone got to that level or remembers.
keepchuggin wrote:
I say it's nice to mix it up once in a while but I wouldn't do all of my training on a treadmill. They definitely will help you w/ your turnover.
This is the correct answer.
It's not a question of "better or worse". It's more of an apples to oranges comparison. Treadmill running can help aleviate some of the pounding your feet get from running on paved roads and paths since the belt and rollers act as a cushion. You can also get better pace workouts on a treadmill. Treadmills are better for practicing changes in stride length and stride frequency in that they act as more of a laboratory setting.
But of course, nothing beats running in the outdoors and learning to deal with the elements and various geographic features, not to mention that treadmills are limited in the steepness of gradient for which you may need to practice. And as far as I know, no one has yet invented a treadmill that allows you to practice downhill running.
reikker wrote:
Yes, the steeper the incline the less "cheating" you get from vertical movement and the closer it gets to outdoor running.
Lol. Cheating from vertical movement? Lol.
reikker wrote:
Scandinavian Fellow wrote:But, of course, you have to do a lot of toe raises afterwards to make up for the lack of 'push' that you need to do compared to outside.
I agree 100% with this.
Well, you're both 100% wrong. There is no difference in push. Otherwise, you'd be going backwards and eventually fall off the treadmill. How do you not understand this?
worse.
The road doesn't set the pace, you do