Teaching Sucks!!!!

I've had a teaching side-hustle gig for 15 years now as an adjunct professor @ a university and absolutely love it. It helps when your students care about the subject matter and most of mine do. I'm not sure I could handle a standard forced curriculum and apathetic high schoolers though. I will definitely keep teaching after I retire from my day job.

Ca$hclay wrote:

I've had a teaching side-hustle gig for 15 years now as an adjunct professor @ a university and absolutely love it. It helps when your students care about the subject matter and most of mine do. I'm not sure I could handle a standard forced curriculum and apathetic high schoolers though. I will definitely keep teaching after I retire from my day job.

Teaching at your typical HS vs

-Teaching college classes

-Private school

-Horribly Bad School

Those jobs only vaguely resemble each other.

Education wrote:

I have taught before and seriously, it does. Low pay, no respect, and teaching kids where 95% of them have a very very dull future ahead of them.

Teachers don't have low pay.

trulyr tf wrote:

Education wrote:

I have taught before and seriously, it does. Low pay, no respect, and teaching kids where 95% of them have a very very dull future ahead of them.

Teachers don't have low pay.

Compared to someone who’s barely graduated high school and mows my lawns? Yes, teachers are very well payed.

Compared to someone who has a bachelors degree and certification in their professional field? No, teachers are not very well paid.

This is why redneck non college educated trumpers hate teachers.

Respect wrote:

trulyr tf wrote:

Teachers don't have low pay.

Compared to someone who’s barely graduated high school and mows my lawns? Yes, teachers are very well payed.

Compared to someone who has a bachelors degree and certification in their professional field? No, teachers are not very well paid.

This is why redneck non college educated trumpers hate teachers.

Compared to other humanities bachelor degree holders.. The salary for teachers is competitive. Very.

Add in all the other bonuses line 180 work days a year, 2:30PM work day ends, can't be fired,. Monster pension.

It's practically a dream career for the middle nothing's who crave stability and amazing pay/benefits.

My aunt taught for 25 years and her last year she was making $132k.

Respect? Anything less than a vial of acid or bucket of dog crap from you would be a sign of great retstraint.

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Respect wrote:

trulyr tf wrote:

Teachers don't have low pay.

Compared to someone who’s barely graduated high school and mows my lawns? Yes, teachers are very well payed.

Compared to someone who has a bachelors degree and certification in their professional field? No, teachers are not very well paid.

This is why redneck non college educated trumpers hate teachers.

Compared to other humanities bachelor degree holders.. The salary for teachers is competitive. Very.

Add in all the other bonuses line 180 work days a year, 2:30PM work day ends, can't be fired,. Monster pension.

It's practically a dream career for the middle nothing's who crave stability and amazing pay/benefits.

My aunt taught for 25 years and her last year she was making $132k.

suburbanxcore wrote:

trollololol wrote:

I have friends who are teachers. They openly admit to me that they recycle lesson plans from year to year and they rarely do any school related work after school hours. They just grade the tests and papers while the students are at lunch/gym/music class/etc.

Sounds like your friends are pretty crappy teachers.

Lo

Respect wrote:

trulyr tf wrote:

Teachers don't have low pay.

Compared to someone who’s barely graduated high school and mows my lawns? Yes, teachers are very well payed.

Compared to someone who has a bachelors degree and certification in their professional field? No, teachers are not very well paid.

This is why redneck non college educated trumpers hate teachers.

Teachers shouldn't complain about pay if they get a pension. In how many other professions can you retire at the age of 55?

I taught in some rough schools in NYC and I'm grateful I have a good pension and was able to take advantage of a good tax deferred annuity program. My friends who live in big homes in the suburbs, drive nicer cars and had to pay top dollar for their kids' colleges are still working.

It's not an easy job but how many jobs are? The conditions in many schools are horrible but the pay isn't.

If it's so easy, please give it a try. If it's so intolerable by all means find another profession.

In retrospect, I'm glad I left the business world in 1984.

fjdbc wrote:

suburbanxcore wrote:

Sounds like your friends are pretty crappy teachers.

Lo

Derp hit post by accident lol...

Literally everyone I know who teaches re-uses their curriculums as often as they can. And really, why wouldn't they for most course topics?

Anyways, most young teachers I know seem happy while most older ones seem very burnt out from it. That's true for people of many different job types though.

There are a few reforms that would really help, but education is one of those areas where people seem to all agree that things need to change, but when any changes are suggested they scream bloody murder, so things just remain the same.

YersiniaPestis wrote:

There are a few reforms that would really help, but education is one of those areas where people seem to all agree that things need to change, but when any changes are suggested they scream bloody murder, so things just remain the same.

Care to enlighten us teachers as to what those groundbreaking reforms might be?

At my school every teacher has a 2nd job just to make ends meet. That job might be coaching, tutoring but many others are forced to baby sit, work at a bar/resturant among other things

3 months paid vacation? many of those same teachers who have 2 jobs already will also find work over the summer again just to make ends meet. So how many other professions do people have to find a job to work during their vacation so they can simply pay bills?

Incapable of driving wrote:

At my school every teacher has a 2nd job just to make ends meet. That job might be coaching, tutoring but many others are forced to baby sit, work at a bar/resturant among other things

3 months paid vacation? many of those same teachers who have 2 jobs already will also find work over the summer again just to make ends meet. So how many other professions do people have to find a job to work during their vacation so they can simply pay bills?

What state? Do you have pensions and or a 401k or tax deferred annuity?

September 8th 2033 I am eligible to retire with the max pension multiplier. There will be no September 9th. But in the meantime it's a great job! I don't listen to what others say about teachers. They can come to work with me and see what's up. I also got out of teaching once to make big bucks in biotech and I was making A LOT more money, but corporate BS...no thank you. No 3 month break for me. I only get 6.5 weeks off in the summer. My school is year round so I get 2 weeks for spring break, the mini summer break, 2 weeks in the fall (last week of Sept and first week in Oct), all Thanksgiving week, and 3 weeks at Xmas. Sprinkle in 10 sick days and where else am I gonna get that? With the overtime I pick up I can make around $110-$115K. Throw in some real estate I do on the side and San Diego living is not that bad. That is...except for the libatards.

From everything Ive been reading lately about public education and the way school teachers and school boards have been attacked relentlessly its pretty much dead.

Why would anyone enter this profession? Teachers are quitting in huge numbers and very few are willing to replace them. Especially people in the STEM fields who can make much more money elsewhere.

Covid and social media have made kids a nightmare to work with, they have no social skills and apathetic towards furthering themselves intellectually.

Teachers are not valued in our society, which can be seen by how poorly funded education is and how low their pay is.

And yet everyone wants their genius kid in Stanford, Harvard and MIT. How does that work?

In every other arena in the US if you want the best, you pay them top dollar. Not so in education.

observeroftheobvious wrote:

YersiniaPestis wrote:

There are a few reforms that would really help, but education is one of those areas where people seem to all agree that things need to change, but when any changes are suggested they scream bloody murder, so things just remain the same.

Care to enlighten us teachers as to what those groundbreaking reforms might be?

Off the top of my head:

-More REAL vocational and job training classes for kids that aren't college bound.

Why you cant: The minute too many minority and low income kids are in those classes over college bound curricula, you will be called every "ist" in the dictionary.

- Remove problem kids from the schools. If that means alternative school, or making them attend virtually since they have proven that they cannot handle in person learning. Whatever it takes to ensure the schools are safe, positive places focused on learning and positive social interaction. You don't threaten teachers. You don't threaten or attack anyone and remain in the school.

Why you can't: see above

-Differential pay for teachers in high demand. People teaching computing classes and high level math can get good jobs in the private sector. It would be nice if these people were really choosing between being an engineer or a teacher, etc. Just paying teacher based on time served is ridiculous.

Why you can't: Teacher's unions.

-End tenure. No reason to keep that. If you want to be treated like a professional, and paid like a professional, you have to have the job responsibilities of a professional.

Why you can't: Teacher's unions.

Everytime I visit this forum I am shocked at the salaries people are coming up with. Six figures for teaching? In the UK you get about 30 grand which is $40,000 but teachers are overworked, deal with shocking pupil behaviour and bullying management.