Sergio Sanchez: hardly surprising, but...

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i think you are missing that there would be more to lose by other students finding out than his parents.

again all speculation and for the most part I am a rupp farah supporter. I think they stick to the rules, while pushing the limits, when its your job thats what you gotta do, life isnt fair, cheers.

Sure, that is a factor too. I just can't imagine good parents allowing their child to put their health at serious risk over money when you are not struggling for it. And as for fame, you'd have to be like one of those parents who pimp their kids for trashy tv shows, too stupid to realize that you are basically destroying their future. Either that or too greedy to care.

Again, nothing about Rupp and his family seems like that.

I'm with you on maximizing what is allowable in terms of supplements, assuming you are not endangering your health even though something is legal. The same way you should maximize your rest and nutrition.

heywhatsthis wrote:true about the eyes...sometimes you can tell by watching

bekele i know straight away he's on the sauce just by observing him

i get the same vibe from farahs interviews

It makes you wonder why WADA bothers to do drug testing when they could catch dopers just by watching someone's eyes or getting a vibe.

stick with eharmony wrote:

the classic LRC double standard...

rupp runs 7:30.... clean

European guy runs 7:32... DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHICH ONE IS IT GUYS?

I see your point but Rupp has also broken 13:00 and run 26:48 and is good on a yearly basis. The most obvious drug cheats are the one-hit wonders.

Sanchez made it so obvious by running 7:32 and 4:52 for 2000 indoors in 2010.

Times like that for a guy who had a pb of 3:39 for 1500, 7:43 for 3000 13:21 for 5000.

And people don't think that for some DRUGS MAKE A HUGE difference.

I've always wondered if I could take some of my old Cornell runners like say Jimmy Wyner and turn them into Olympic medallists if I doped them. If they responded to drugs like Sanchez, i think the answer is yes.

heywhatsthis wrote:

true about the eyes...sometimes you can tell by watching

bekele i know straight away he's on the sauce just by observing him

i get the same vibe from farahs interviews

Lol yeah so let's just replace all of the chemical drug tests with your eyes

Not that anyone cares but apparently a basketball player tested positive. They didn't say who or for what drug.

didn't say it would stand up in court or anything.......

you can actually learn a lot from studying people if you know what to look for

heywhatsthis wrote:

didn't say it would stand up in court or anything.......

you can actually learn a lot from studying people if you know what to look for

Certainly, there is a reason certain fields are trainined in this. People have definite givaways for things like nervousness, insecurity or lying and a ton of it comes from their eyes. The most obvious one of allis when they can't look straight at you for any length of time without having to shift away.

Certainly not 100% accurate, but still highly accurate. Just watch interviews with the top sprinters especially after amazing performances. Sergio Sanchez always wore glasses. People who appear physically shifty tend to be morally shifty.

Rupp is an obvios doper. Admit it already.

Nanook wrote:

Rupp is an obvios doper. Admit it already.

Don't see what's obvious. I only see strectched arguments and accusations. If you think he's doping that you would have to assume that Teg, Ritz, Solinsky, Jager and others are too. After all, which one of them ran anywhere close to the combination of:

4:01, 8:07, 13:37, 29:1X

in high school?

all were very, very good, but not that good. and yet they all have run between 13:01 and 12:55. Jager also is a world class steepler who may crack 8:00 one day and probably will run under a 3:50 mile. Solinsky has is 26:59 and ritz 2:07. Teg had and 8:04 2 mile. All of these guys are just shy of Rupp overall, the same way they they were as preps when compared to Rupp.

But NONE of them, including Rupp went from, say 13:30 as a professional to 13:0X in a single year and then back to 13:2X, 13:3X all of the following years. They all kept grinding there times down over a decade or more.

Wasn't Sanchez really outspoken about the dopers, saying things like it's terrible, they are killing the sport, I'm glad they are being caught, I've been hurt by them...

A least Farah and Rupp are not outspoken against the dopers...

They are one level up on the honesty scale...

Does eamon coughlan get his 2000m ER back?

Teg, Ritz, Solinsky, Jager, Rupp are not the fastest preps of all time, but all are now the fastest Americans of all time. In fact, what they did in high is on par to what the fastest high schoolers did in the 70's, 80's , and 90's. the exception is Rupp's 5000, but how many of those preps had the chance to run in the summer in a pro 5000 in Europe full of Africans?

But for all those decades the best American preps went on to run 13:20. Now, suddenly they go on to 12:55-13:02. How do you explain that? The internet? They started "believing"?

And "grinding there times down" is just a fanboy illusion. Solinsky went 13:12,13:18,13;18, 12:55, 13:10. Jager went from 13:22 to injury for two years to 8:06. Im not accusing them of anything but the only way to pass these as steady is to apply fanboy logic. "Well, you see, he was injured, it was hot that year, he switched coaches, he wasnt interestd in PR's that year." The same could be applied to every suddenly fast Spaniard or North African. They all were injured, and fast in high school, and switched coaches, and were lazy.

But the most astonishing fact about this latest cheat is that it has been proven yet once again: The rest of the world's white people need PEDs to compete with the top (probably doped) Africans. Except the Americans. Suddenly, they just need to "believe."

There are so many EPO cheats in Spain... how is that Sanchez positive came for a test made in July, but they released the info only days ago? Oh...wait...they had Olympic expectations in Madrid for 2020!!

The Turks at least busted almost 40 athletes this year...and then, IOC chose them over Madrid.

to holy to dope wrote:

Teg, Ritz, Solinsky, Jager, Rupp are not the fastest preps of all time, but all are now the fastest Americans of all time. In fact, what they did in high is on par to what the fastest high schoolers did in the 70's, 80's , and 90's. the exception is Rupp's 5000, but how many of those preps had the chance to run in the summer in a pro 5000 in Europe full of Africans?

Rupp was 8th all time at the time in the mile, 1st at 2k, 1st at 3k, 1st at 5k, and like 6th I think at 10k as a high schooler. Nobody else in US high school history had that range except Gerry Lindgren. He then swept the American Junior records 3k to 10k. Then dominated college and has been making every WC/Olympic team since 2007. Compared to him, Jager, Solinsky, etc, etc, are flash in the pans. Whereas, Rupp is just continued dominance and progession year after year.

Phil the Psychic wrote:

heywhatsthis wrote:true about the eyes...sometimes you can tell by watching

bekele i know straight away he's on the sauce just by observing him

i get the same vibe from farahs interviews

It makes you wonder why WADA bothers to do drug testing when they could catch dopers just by watching someone's eyes or getting a vibe.

Actually WADA and USADA will target someone they suspect. So the vibe is not out of line

Who says Rupp is clean? That's a joke, right?

ibjuifjdjfj wrote:

Rupp was 1st at 2k, 1st at 3k, 1st at 5k, and like 6th I think at 10k as a high schooler.

So all the rarely run distances. yeah, the greatest high schooler ever and he couldn't even win footlocker.

to holy to dope wrote:

So all the rarely run distances. yeah, the greatest high schooler ever and he couldn't even win footlocker.

13:37. 0/10, please stop wasting people's time.

Who are these people? Speak for yourself and stop rallying behind other people. Or, stop wasting your time responding.

So Rupp is the fastest privileged high school runner who got to go to Europe and run in a fast 5k with pro runners the summer AFTER he graduated.

I'll give you this much, he was in fact one of the most talented high schoolers ever. Then he never won zero conference title through four years of college. he went stagnant like most high school phenoms. There the similarities end. Then he had a miraculous fifth year, then would loose by half a lap as pro, then became silver medalist. His progression over 10k is 27:36,27:10, 26:48. He went from fast American to other-worldly. Factor out the Africans and he dominates like Lance. In fact, take away the Africans and the Americans dominate the rest of the world. They are like US Postal. And once in a while another non-African dares come close, and it turns out they dope. How do they Lance the rest of the doped non-African world? Well, how did our cyclists suddenly do it circa 2002?