Sergio Sanchez: hardly surprising, but...

Very well known doper in the Spanish world. Great he got caught, as he had some of the best doctors working with him.

excellent news - he was an obvious one.

Not too surprising. I remember that he gave a story a few years ago about how he used a doctor and they adjusted doses of vitamin pills so that his body could train at a high level.

What is surprising is how and why the Spanish police and authorities have so much will and power to investigate, test, and then beat up on their own sportsmen.

So finally it's clear that he was a cheat...and, yeah, it was close to obvious. Number 3 alltime 2000m indoors!!

if he was one of top guys the epo wouldn't work

it only works for 2nd tier athletes......

they can start by stripping that spanish team of their euro xc

gold from '09

he wasn't the only doper on that team

farah also lost out on individual gold to a spanish guy who got busted for blood doping

renato is right ...doping only works at the lower european level

this stuff has no effect at world level

That's not at all what Renato says.

renato says the top guys get no benefit.....lol

This is what a true cheat looks like:

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/spain/sergio-sanchez-171546#progression

some glaring performance irregularities

He was an obvious cheat to me so this is good news.

However this wasn't obvious to some here. I remember getting accused of "racism" for bringing this up years ago, which is the standard defense for anyone who is not a white American.

heywhatsthis wrote:

renato says the top guys get no benefit.....lol

No he doesnt. This whole Renato says epo doesnt work thing is getting very old. He has explained his position many times and it is very far from what you are implying.

Most likely you are doing so on purpose for your own amusement but otherwise you are a very simple person.

Here is the best part

http://www.all-athletics.com/2011-04-01/spanish-runner-ashamed-countrys-image

Haha

the classic LRC double standard...

rupp runs 7:30.... clean

European guy runs 7:32... DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHICH ONE IS IT GUYS?

stick with eharmony wrote:

the classic LRC double standard...

rupp runs 7:30.... clean

European guy runs 7:32... DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHICH ONE IS IT GUYS?

Got to love it right? This thread is great with people saying obvious doper when there are about 10 examples of MORE obvious doping going on.

stick with eharmony wrote:

the classic LRC double standard...

rupp runs 7:30.... clean

European guy runs 7:32... DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHICH ONE IS IT GUYS?

Well Rupp has very good progression, coming from a very fast Prep runner with progress nearly every year. Galens biggest drops come after he graduates the NCAA system, but that is very logical. Yet he still ran 27:33, 13:18 & 7:44 while in college.

On the other hand,your buddy sergio:

If you were to plot the yearly best marks on a line graph the difference would smack you in the face.

el obvioso wrote:

stick with eharmony wrote:

the classic LRC double standard...

rupp runs 7:30.... clean

European guy runs 7:32... DIRTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHICH ONE IS IT GUYS?

Well Rupp has very good progression, coming from a very fast Prep runner with progress nearly every year. Galens biggest drops come after he graduates the NCAA system, but that is very logical. Yet he still ran 27:33, 13:18 & 7:44 while in college.

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/galen-rupp-196507#progression

On the other hand,your buddy sergio:

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/spain/sergio-sanchez-171546#progression

If you were to plot the yearly best marks on a line graph the difference would smack you in the face.

There is one obvious flaw in this line of thinking that no one realizes.

Rupp has always been on drugs. Maybe not when he stepped out of HS, but since he was a SR in HS maybe. Started off with simple things like pills and advanced to shots.

He's been with Salazar since the beginning.

The fact is that most times we can see progression because we can normally safely assume no one is on EPO or the like when they are in HS. It's too risky, not a lot of reward, hard to do, etc.

But with him being coached by Salazar since HS, it changes the picture. We can generally assume that a HS coach isn't going to do that stuff to an athlete.

Salazar eliminates those variables, just like a state sponsored system does.

So the Rupp progression thing is different. Very different

And HS doping is more common than you think. Just look at all those positives from the Turkish junior teams.

I've thought about this before and while I'll never rule out that it's not possible, I take into account probability. Rupp ran what, 8:07, 13:37 & 29:1X while in high school, living with loving and well educated parents. In fact he lived with them the year after high school when he went 28:15 as a FROSH! He was an in state student so the cost of going to university of oregon even on a partial scholarship would have been fairly low and very manageable for upper middle class parents.

So you have to ask yourself:

Could rupp have hid the fact from his parents?

Would have even wanted to do something illegal and hide from his parents?

Would his parents had suspected and turned their heads? Would they have known and approved?

The answer in my opinion would be no to all. The eyes are truly the window to the soul, and if you think of the confirmed drug cheats, it was always written in their eyes. I don't get that from the Rupps at all.

i think you are missing that there would be more to lose by other students finding out than his parents.

again all speculation and for the most part I am a rupp farah supporter. I think they stick to the rules, while pushing the limits, when its your job thats what you gotta do, life isnt fair, cheers.