Are Chiropractors the biggest, Joke Ever?

Sue everyone? Please provide more than 1 instance of this, aside from Wilkes vs. the AMA. And by this I mean, actually show me an instance where a chiropractic organization sued someone on the basis of quackery? The MD's and PT's are out in full force it seems, on LetsRun.

chiroquacktor wrote:

Chiropractic organizations sue everyone who questions their quackery. These people are the lowest level of scum in the health business. Stay away!

No, actually dumbshit, I cited an article written that actually used the term "paraphysiological joint space", that I also provided a reference to, from a medical dictionary website no less. Funny thing is, you state this is a made up word. So, dumbshit, you have no idea what you are talking about.If you get bored today, show me an article researched by someone other than big pharma or the AMA that shows or proves something in the medical community? Good luck with that, dumbshit.

say what???? wrote:

No, actually dumbshit, I cited an article written that actually used the term "paraphysiological joint space", that I also provided a reference to, from a medical dictionary website no less. Funny thing is, you state this is a made up word. So, dumbshit, you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you get bored today, show me an article researched by someone other than big pharma or the AMA that shows or proves something in the medical community?

Good luck with that, dumbshit.

hi there, chiro wrote:

You cited a source from a chiropractic journal saying that chiro works? That's like saying that jews are the devil-spawn and citing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

So you're just going to ignore the reference I posted?

Your tone and offensive language entirely inappropriate here. Please apologize to that person.

I think I'd rather try a really good massage therapist than have someone mess with my back.

I was having lower back pain and decided to try a chiro. I went in and they asked "Do you want this treated medically or chiropracticly?" I decided to go "medical" and saw the nurse practitioner they had on staff. She gave me a few injections sent me on my way and I was fine.

The fact that they had to differentiate between the methodology like that said all I needed to know.

are you new here?I owe this person no professional courtesy.

Miss Manners wrote:

say what???? wrote:

No, actually dumbshit, I cited an article written that actually used the term "paraphysiological joint space", that I also provided a reference to, from a medical dictionary website no less. Funny thing is, you state this is a made up word. So, dumbshit, you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you get bored today, show me an article researched by someone other than big pharma or the AMA that shows or proves something in the medical community?

Good luck with that, dumbshit.

Your tone and offensive language entirely inappropriate here. Please apologize to that person.

Physicians base practice on the scientific method.

Chiropractors do everything else.

That's all you need to know.

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Physicians base practice on the scientific method.

Chiropractors do everything else.

That's all you need to know.

Your ignorance is simply stunning.

asdasdds wrote:

My family doc says it's all snake oil. Personally, I don't have experience with them so I don't really know.

The AMA asserted in a report as far back as 1997 that "manipulation has been shown to have a reasonably good degree of efficacy in ameliorating back pain, headache, and similar musculoskeletal complaints."

Here is to what I alluded to earlier:

Comparison of the Education of DCs and MDs

Both chiropractic and medical schools require certain course work for admission. These vary from school to school. Very few schools of either type require a bachelor's degree, although some specify that they prefer the applicant have such a degree.

Chiropractic colleges do not require the MCAT. Some medical schools do. Contrary to common belief, some medical schools (including high profile institutions) require the bare minimum of undergraduate requirements.

We took the admission requirements for medical schools from the publication titled: Medical School Admission Requirements, 1997-1998: United States and Canada, 47th edition (published by The Association of American Medical Colleges). Admission requirements for accredited chiropractic schools are dictated by the Council on Chiropractic Colleges (the agency appointed by the U.S. Dept. of Education to accredit chiropractic colleges).

The Parker College study reported that on average, chiropractic college involves 372 more classroom hours than medical school. Chiropractic students also have more hours of training in anatomy, physiology, diagnosis, and orthopedics (the musculoskeletal system).

It should be apparent from looking at the data below that in general, the chiropractic student has a more extensive classroom education and practical training in these areas, particularly in diagnosis, than the medical student.

Requirements for Admission to

Chiropractic and Medical Schools

College Courses

Parker Chiropractic College Harvard Medical School Stanford University

Biological Science (with lab) 1 year 1 year 1 year

General or Inorganic Chemistry 1 year 1 year 1 year

Organic Chemistry (with lab) 1 year 1 year 1 year

Physics (with lab) 1 year 1 year 1 year

English or Communicative Skills 1 year

Psychology 1/2 year

Humanities or Social Sciences 22.5 quarter hours

Electives 6-to-18 quarter hours.

Degree Requirements

These basic educational requirements for graduates of both chiropractic and medical schools show that although each has its own specialties, the hours of classroom instruction are about the same. (The class hours for basic science comparisons were compiled and averaged following a review of curricula of 18 chiropractic colleges and 22 medical schools.)

Minimum Required Hours

Chiropractic College Medical School

456 Anatomy/Embryology. 215

243 Physiology 174

296 Pathology 507

161 Chemistry/Biochemistry 100

145 Microbiology 145

408 Diagnosis 113

149 Neurology 171

56 Psychology/Psychiatry 323

66 Obstetrics & Gynecology 284

271 X-ray 13

168 Orthopedics 2

2,419 Total Hours for Degree 2,047

College Faculty

The U.S. Department of Education, through the separate accrediting agencies for chiropractic and medical schools, dictates the credentials of faculty members. In both chiropractic and medical schools, the classes for the first two academic years are usually basic sciences.

Faculty members in the basic sciences divisions are either Ph.D.s in each subject taught (such as microbiology or biochemistry), or D.C.s, M.D.s, or D.O.s who also have bachelors, masters, or Ph.D. degrees in the basic science subjects being taught. Classes in the clinical sciences division are usually taught by D.C.s, M.D.s, or D.O.s.

In many chiropractic colleges, M.D.s or D.O.s are permitted to teach certain courses, such as laboratory diagnosis. However, D.C.s must teach courses in which M.D.s or D.O.s don't have sufficient education or practical clinical experience.

Some chiropractic colleges have active research departments in which researchers conduct both basic science and clinical studies. The subjects of study range from biomechanics to biochemistry.

Traditionally, chiropractic colleges had only minuscule research funding compared to medical schools. I recall political medicine using this fact as evidence that chiropractic wasn't legitimate.

However, the medical critics failed confess that the minimal funding or lack of it was a result of political medicine doing everything in its power to block funding of studies in chiropractic college.

Obviously, political medicine used a circular and disingenuous argument to deceive the public. Today, chiropractic colleges are receiving more funding for research.

Some medical schools have D.C.s as full-time faculty members. The University of Colorado School of Medicine, for example, has a full-time chiropractic radiologist as a faculty member.

Dr. James P. Barassi, a chiropractor, is Research Fellow in Medicine at Harvard Medical School. D.C.s occasionally

Please specify as to how exactly medical doctors practice based on the scientific method and exactly what chiropractors do that is not.Apparently, professional journals within the same profession you defend are not valid sources of information. Keep this in mind, or don't.

jkjkjkjjjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Physicians base practice on the scientific method.

Chiropractors do everything else.

That's all you need to know.

My college track team took a chiropractor to every meet and had one available often during training.

I personally didn't feel much benefit from it and didn't want to be dependent on one for every race so I declined adjustments usually.

But as long as people feel they receive a benefit from them and are willing to pay, then it's OK by me.

You are putting yourself at a much greater risk of an adverse side effect or even death undergoing a surgical technique then you would receiving a chiropractic adjustment or PT manipulation. Personally, I will stick to the the least invasive way of treating my problem.

Chiros > MDs when it comes to treating pain

s and b wrote:

Sally Vixenss wrote:

Chiropractors have more class time than medical doctors.

I hear this a lot, as though it proves something while completely disregarding residency and rotations. Anyone care to do a breakdown of the actual classes(and not vague titles like "science" or "chemistry", I'd like to see actual class titles for each)?

My daughter decided to become a chiropractor after suffering a neck injury in a car accident. The regular Drs were unable to offer anything other than heavy duty pain-killers but no treatment of an injury. I suggested she visited the chiropractor I used to see in connection with running track (after running indoors during the winter I used to experience an imbalance between legs, one was longer than the other). Manipulation used to fix this. My daughter's neck pain and headaches went away after treatment which conventional medicine was unable to do.

One of the classes which she TAd at chiropratic school was dissection of cadavers, just like medical school.

I am not a doctor, not a PT, not a Chiropractor. Coming into reading this thread, I was on the fence about my opinion of chiropractors in general. Quite a few of my runner friends have raved about how their chiropractor helped them quickly come back from injuries. I've also heard people accuse chiropractors of being snake oil salesmen.

However, I think Say What???'s loquacity and generally arrogant and offensive attitude throughout this thread pretty well cements my negative opinion of Chiropractors in general as being a lower caliber of student and tending to ride on the good fortune of being in a profession that has successfully hoodwinked a good portion of the population.

Find a really good massage therapist, someone that treats athletes more than those that deals with mom's day at the spa.

I think you certainly have had an opinion of chiropractors, and may have even posted earlier on this thread, and now want to say something like this. Its amazing that you feel comfortable generalizing a group of individuals based on the words of one person if you weren't already negative.

If however, in the unlikelihood you post was sincere, why not say the same about the physical therapist posting under the name physical therapist, that wrote lies in an attempt to prevent people from having a positive opinion of chiropractic?

How irritating would you be if some anonymous message board poster, was spreading lies about your profession, and indirectly, you? And not only spreading outright lies, but failing to display the smallest degree of common sense? You wouldn't have anything favorable to say either.

Should you decide to not go to a chiropractor ever, no big deal. Consider it your loss.

Change @ Park wrote:

Allow me to enlighten you then, troll: every NFL franchise has at least one team chiropractor on their medical staff, and 8 of them employ two.

Allow me to enlighten you then, tard: How many MLB players wear the Power Balance bracelets or some knockoff bracelet/necklace? Also, The Sleep Train Arena in Sacramento was formerly called Power Balance Pavilion.

Just because they're there doesn't mean they're credible or worth anything.

For one, Doug, your TV wife used to be a scientologist. I shouldn't have to say more, but I will.

There is a big difference between paying a few bucks for a necklace that might have a placebo effect than paying someone 6 figures, or whatever they make yearly, to work with the teams.

Having a Power Balance Pavilion means that Power Balance paid money to the team to have that built or for sponsorship. Until the teams have a John Doe DC skywalk, assume that your analogy is shitty.

Medicine is "evidence based." Billions of dollars are spent by the leading research organizations in the world (HARVARD, YALE, CAMBRIDGE, STANFORD etc.) investigating "best practices." These studies are published in the most reputable scientific peer-reviewed journals in the world.

Chiropractic medicine has no reputable, to even remotely the degree that medicine has, peer-reviewed journals.

There is a reason no IVY League universities have chiropractic schools. Simply put if there was unequivocal proof that it worked it would be incorporated into traditional medicine. There is none, so it is not.