With no money given out for sports, how does it work with an Ivy League super star like Abby? Grants and more grants? Jordan Hasey surely didn't drop a penny for school not to mention the 30 pair of Nike running shoes in her closet!
With no money given out for sports, how does it work with an Ivy League super star like Abby? Grants and more grants? Jordan Hasey surely didn't drop a penny for school not to mention the 30 pair of Nike running shoes in her closet!
Abbey was not a superstar when she entered college
How many Ivy League threads do we need for people to get the point? Why is it so unbelievable that someone would pay for an education? It's need based financial aid. There are no grants for athletics. There are no scholarships.
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How many Ivy League threads do we need for people to get the point? Why is it so unbelievable that someone would pay for an education? It's need based financial aid. There are no grants for athletics. There are no scholarships.
Why wouldn't a smart Ivy league types not take a free education elsewhere then? Not so smart perhaps. If Abby wasn't a superstar entering college that is a different story and makes more sense in her case at least.
Grants for School wrote:
Why wouldn't a smart Ivy [L]eague [type ...] take a free education elsewhere then? Not so smart perhaps. If [Abbey] wasn't a superstar entering college that is a different story and makes more sense in her case at least.
To be blunt, I don't think someone with your (demonstrated) inability to write/capitalize/spell is in a position to judge "not so smart" of others.
But putting that aside, many kids (and their families) have come to realize that their *bottom line* expenses of attending an Ivy would be no greater than those of accepting, say, a full-tuition grant at another school. Ivy financial aid is wonderful and even kids from middle-class families can pay very little.
...in addition to which, they're getting an Ivy League education, and they get to run in the country's greatest (and best-attended) collegiate conference meets.
. . . and they go on to rule the world when the dolts who turned down the Ivy Leagues to save a few bucks retire from fame forever in their twenties.
mathwiz wrote:
. . . and they go on to rule the world when the dolts who turned down the Ivy Leagues to save a few bucks retire from fame forever in their twenties.
This only exists in your head.
Abbey
Alanson wrote:
Seems like Stanford would have a huge advantage with the athletic/brainy demographic (on a par academically with Harvard, gives athletic scholarships as a Division I school, has a great climate).
Uhhh, they DO have a huge advantage. Look at the teams.
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How many Ivy League threads do we need for people to get the point? Why is it so unbelievable that someone would pay for an education? It's need based financial aid. There are no grants for athletics. There are no scholarships.
This is from personal experience with athletes I have coached:
An athlete can go to an Ivy League school for free- I've coached three.
They can get in the school based on grades and are recruited based on ability.
I had a girl who turned down a two scholarships (full rides) and a couple Ivy offers to go to an Ivy League school for free.
That said, most people (depending on income) do not pay all that much for most of the Ivy schools.
I also know of kids who went for free (or within $5000.00 a year of free) because of grades and did not play a sport.
They have money from wealthy alumni to dole out.
"Need" as it has been explained to me is a two-way street. If the Ivy "needs" a basketball center then that student gets a "need award". And if they "need" a lady 1:59 800 meter runner then they too will see $$$'s. I remember the kid doing the tour at Harvard was a volleyball "setter".. that is how he got in.
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How many Ivy League threads do we need for people to get the point? Why is it so unbelievable that someone would pay for an education? It's need based financial aid. There are no grants for athletics. There are no scholarships.
Could she have qualified for an academic scholarship?
Calling a grant-in-aid to an athlete a "scholarship" is demeaning to the term. The athlete is not there because of his/her brains--or at least getting the money for brains.
run with the wom wrote:
"Need" as it has been explained to me is a two-way street. If the Ivy "needs" a basketball center then that student gets a "need award". And if they "need" a lady 1:59 800 meter runner then they too will see $$$'s. I remember the kid doing the tour at Harvard was a volleyball "setter".. that is how he got in.
Okay.
Admission is not the same as financial aid--and the two are determined completely separately.
*Admission may indeed be influenced by an applicant's athletic ability. S/he will still have to be in the ballpark academically, however.
*Financial aid is based on family finances, and--generally speaking--has progressed to the point that the typical (truly) middle-class family would have to pay little or nothing.
There are NO merit scholarships or athletic grants at Ivy League member schools. All financial aid, for all admitted students, is based on family need, period.
And, although it's natural for many of us (me included) to be cynical about such things, I can say--after having coached in the Ivy League for several years--that there seems to be little or no abuse of the need-based FA setup...if only because the aid packages are so good anyway, it would be pointless to take the risk.
[Full disclosure: I attended an Ivy and received a three-quarter ride (not three quarters of tuition, three quarters of everything), all in scholarship--no work-study or loans. I was not a recruited athlete, nor did I ever go out for a college team, but my family's income was modest. And this was BITD--financial aid has gotten significantly better at the Ivies since then.]
Stanford is not an Ivy.
lease wrote:
run with the wom wrote:"Need" as it has been explained to me is a two-way street. If the Ivy "needs" a basketball center then that student gets a "need award". And if they "need" a lady 1:59 800 meter runner then they too will see $$$'s. I remember the kid doing the tour at Harvard was a volleyball "setter".. that is how he got in.
Okay.
Admission is not the same as financial aid--and the two are determined completely separately.
*Admission may indeed be influenced by an applicant's athletic ability. S/he will still have to be in the ballpark academically, however.
*Financial aid is based on family finances, and--generally speaking--has progressed to the point that the typical (truly) middle-class family would have to pay little or nothing.
There are NO merit scholarships or athletic grants at Ivy League member schools. All financial aid, for all admitted students, is based on family need, period.
And, although it's natural for many of us (me included) to be cynical about such things, I can say--after having coached in the Ivy League for several years--that there seems to be little or no abuse of the need-based FA setup...if only because the aid packages are so good anyway, it would be pointless to take the risk.
[Full disclosure: I attended an Ivy and received a three-quarter ride (not three quarters of tuition, three quarters of everything), all in scholarship--no work-study or loans. I was not a recruited athlete, nor did I ever go out for a college team, but my family's income was modest. And this was BITD--financial aid has gotten significantly better at the Ivies since then.]
I think this is a first hand account of my second hand account.
To answer the question if she came from a well-off financial situation, she paid. How much who knows?
As someone said she didn't even make all-scholastic as a Sr. So she would not have got a full ride at a Big East /ACC school.
Dartmouth has had a nice recruiting year this spring. I'm sure some got good aid and others got almost nothing. There are other benefits a school can direct to a recruit. A job for example.
Alanson wrote:
Seems like Stanford would have a huge advantage with the athletic/brainy demographic (on a par academically with Harvard, gives athletic scholarships as a Division I school, has a great climate).
You would think, but John Harbaugh got Stanford to lower their academic standards as part of his deal to take the Head Football coaching position.
John Harbaugh did? All the way from Baltimore? Impressive.
A Duck wrote:[/
You would think, but John Harbaugh got Stanford to lower their academic standards as part of his deal to take the Head Football coaching position.
I'm sure she doesn't pay now. Ivy's still give out scholarships under different names
swerve wrote:
I'm sure she doesn't pay now. [Ivies] still give out scholarships under different names
Uh-huh. And this assurance of yours is based on what, now?
Oh, I see: nothing. You just pulled it out of your ass.
If AD'A "doesn't pay now," then it would be because of her family finances--as is the case with every other Dartmouth student who "doesn't pay." But of course you don't actually *know* whether she pays or not.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are actually outfits that don't try to be sneaky, or get away with as much as they can. Dartmouth's financial-aid department is one such (as are those of the other Ivies).