Sub 4 milers - What collegiate team has had the most during one season?

Oregon

Some of the mid-late 80s Arkansas teams, mabye?

phoenixrising45 wrote:

Tried to google it to avail... thanks!

Could be wrong but I don't think so.

at one point on campus, we had the following training:

matt taylor

reuben reina

eric henry

gilbert contreras (1500 conversion)

joe falcon

coop was 4.0X

think about the stables that john had over the years: baker, bruton, donovan, consiglio, iovine was 3.43ish(?), mike morin, cragg, phil price, lincoln, bunston, o'shaughnassey, hood, and a couple names escape me: cocky englishman who won nc's in 2007ish?, and the kid who paced lagat (2 time nc 1500m champ), etc.

i'd say that we'd be very competitive with oregon for both the numbers of sub 4 guys all time, as well as the most at any one point in time. would be great if someone had the exact stats on this. no doubt, i'm a bit biased.

Oklahoma had four at one time last year or the year before, right?

OSU has five(?)

Texas had four or five at the same time back when Manzano was a senior.

Oregon had four (maybe five?) at the same time when Rupp was a senior.

I could be wrong on any of these as I'm just going by memory, but that's what I can think of in recent years. It would be pretty tough to have more than 5 at once I think given most teams don't even have more than 10 distance runners total (or if they do that last few guys are walk on types).

Can anyone think of a team that had 6 or more at one time? Going back through records of the 4xmile at Penn might be your best starting point.

The mid 80s Oregon teams had Cruz, Myres, Hill, Blackmoore, Kuphaldt, and Bergesen who all ran sub 4 OUTDOORS.

I misread it and thought you said which collegiate had the most sub 4's in a season?

Anyway, who know the answer to that one...I'm guessing Tony Waldrop with 8 (7 indoors I think) in 1974?

"the kid who paced lagat (2 time nc 1500m champ)": Seneca Lassiter

What about Stanford in the late 90s early 2000s?

4 mile tempo and 10 x 30/30s wrote:

The mid 80s Oregon teams had Cruz, Myres, Hill, Blackmoore, Kuphaldt, and Bergesen who all ran sub 4 OUTDOORS.

All the same year? Which year?

Not sure if they all ran sub 4 the same year. However, they were all on the same team during the mid 80s. Plus, they ran sub 4 OUTDOORS. The current rash of indoor sub 4 milers reveal themselves to be 3:44 1500m on outdoor tracks.

4 mile tempo and 10 x 30/30s wrote:

Not sure if they all ran sub 4 the same year. However, they were all on the same team during the mid 80s. Plus, they ran sub 4 OUTDOORS. The current rash of indoor sub 4 milers reveal themselves to be 3:44 1500m on outdoor tracks.

Wasn't that myth busted in another thread? I.e. there are more sub-4 equivalents run outdoors than there are sub-4 miles indoors.

4 mile tempo and 10 x 30/30s wrote:

Plus, they ran sub 4 OUTDOORS. The current rash of indoor sub 4 milers reveal themselves to be 3:44 1500m on outdoor tracks.

And just what percentage of collegiate meets do you suppose are completely dry, windless and moderate temps and often rabbited races in March, April and early June?

This is like the complaint people used to have every year that Mt SAC and Stanford had "short tracks" when they saw surprisingly fast times coming from large fields and ideal conditions. This subsided once enough high quality indoor tracks gave people proper PRs before even going outdoors.

At one time, the following runners were on the same Stanford team (I think in 1998):

Gabe Jennings (2000 Olympian, 1500m), sub 4

Michael Stember (2000 Olympian, 1500m), sub 4

Jonathan Riley (2004 Olympian, 5K), sub 4

Jason Lunn (2003 USA Champion, 1500m), sub 4

Grant Robison (2004 Olympian, 1500m), sub 4

Jake Maas, 3:40 for the 1500m

I don't know what Brad Hauser's (2000 Olympian, 5K) best 1500m time was, but he was pretty close to a sub 4 equivalent.

mookie blalock wrote:]

Wasn't that myth busted in another thread? I.e. there are more sub-4 equivalents run outdoors than there are sub-4 miles indoors.

Actually that wasn't a myth and it wasn't busted.

Indoors, which used to be slower than outdoors due to poor quality tracks, is now faster than outdoors due to modern design and high quality surfaces. The indoor tracks are lightning quick for middle distance running. They offer perfect conditions, no wind, no excessive heat, smooth fast lanes, etc.

4 mile tempo and 10 x 30/30s wrote:

Not sure if they all ran sub 4 the same year. However, they were all on the same team during the mid 80s. Plus, they ran sub 4 OUTDOORS. The current rash of indoor sub 4 milers reveal themselves to be 3:44 1500m on outdoor tracks.

THe fact that no one runs the mile outdoors anymore makes your emphasis annoying. Its easier to go sub 4 OUTDOORS and the fact that we don't run that event any more means that very few people will have this time.

mookie blalock wrote:

Wasn't that myth busted in another thread? I.e. there are more sub-4 equivalents run outdoors than there are sub-4 miles indoors.

There pretty much always are more sub-4 miles indoors than sub-3:41.44 (purdy equivalent) or even sub-3:42 (generous equivalent) - that can easily be seen by looking at any of the performance lists.

What might be a myth is that the runners slow down. I'm not sure about that. I think a lot of the indoor sub-4 milers are either 5Kers or 800 runners who never run the 1500 outdoor.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

4 mile tempo and 10 x 30/30s wrote:

The mid 80s Oregon teams had Cruz, Myres, Hill, Blackmoore, Kuphaldt, and Bergesen who all ran sub 4 OUTDOORS.

All the same year? Which year?

No. Not in the same year. No more than 3 of those names ran Sub 4 in the same year in an Oregon uniform.

And remember...it was the mid-80s...it was Eugene...everyone was doing it...