RE: Are men nowadays giving up on women?

gold diggers wrote:

Or when you graduate from grad school, get a great job and suddenly start making lots of money. Then they're suddenly interested.

That's it.

see me wrote:

Hifhbv wrote:

But here's there's trouble. Men don't demand companionship. Men are principally motivated by sex.

The man thinks "eh, whatever" and then proceeds to continue living like a bachelor without really going deep into relationships.

There's the trouble.... for men, not women. Women enjoy other women as companions. Women can live enriched, fulfilled lives with their female friends as companions and obtain sexual gratification from men (if so desired) via one night stands. If they wish to have children, it's just a simple insemination away.

The fix? Men need to be socialized to see the worth and thus be motivated by more redeeming, honorable intentions- JUST AS WOMEN HAVE. Men need to woman-up, not man-up.

Not true. Women backstab each other and humiliate each other. They compete for men too, like the AA community where there is a shortage.

Men break each others balls and compete, but they do it directly.

I haven't given up. I have three regular girlfriends right now and enjoy my time with each. All three have asked me to marry them but I'm still waiting for the right one to come along. Still haven't given up hope.

women wait wrote:

gold diggers wrote:

Or when you graduate from grad school, get a great job and suddenly start making lots of money. Then they're suddenly interested.

That's it.

MASTURBATION is THE solution, no divorce, alimony , expensive dates or presents,no mother in law or children ,get your rocks off at any time and dream about any girl .Just dont tell anybody and date now and then so they won't think you are gay .

For any state to make sex a qualification that must ever result in the disfranchisement of one entire half of the people, is to pass a bill of attainder, or, an ex post facto law, and is therefore a violation of the supreme law of the land. By it the blessings of liberty are forever withheld from women and their female posterity.

To them this government has no just powers derived from the consent of the governed. To them this government is not a democracy. It is not a republic. It is an odious aristocracy; a hateful oligarchy of sex; the most hateful aristocracy ever established on the face of the globe; an oligarchy of wealth, where the rich govern the poor. An oligarchy of learning, where the educated govern the ignorant, or even an oligarchy of race, where the Saxon rules the African, might be endured; but this oligarchy of sex, which makes father, brothers, husband, sons, the oligarchs over the mother and sisters, the wife and daughters, of every household - which ordains all men sovereigns, all women subjects, carries dissension, discord, and rebellion into every home of the nation.

We're switching to an r-selected sexual marketplace (except for the upper middle class, which is really the upper class). Most guys drop out of the competition and play Xbox all day instead.

Alpha Omega Male wrote:Not true. Women backstab each other and humiliate each other.

Maybe the main problem is the people with whom you choose to associate?

right hand man wrote:

MASTURBATION is THE solution, no divorce, alimony , expensive dates or presents,no mother in law or children ,get your rocks off at any time and dream about any girl .Just dont tell anybody and date now and then so they won't think you are gay .

5 finger discount?

Justin91 wrote:

We're switching to an r-selected sexual marketplace (except for the upper middle class, which is really the upper class). Most guys drop out of the competition and play Xbox all day instead.

Dropping out and playing Xbox all day might be better than settling for warpigs 2-3 points below on the SMV index. You can always drop out from ages 20-30 and enjoy yourself in your 30s as long you bust your butt (career, weightlifting, ect) when you're not playing Xbox during your 20s

truth b told wrote:

Guppy wrote:many women are super self-entitled and just a general pain in the arse to deal with

I guess that's what a freaking TWO-WAY relationship is all about! It's about compromise and healthy disagreement.

Men expect woman to be the doormats in the relationship and then call them "pains in the arses" when they don't allow themselves to be walked all over.

You're either a woman who fits the above description or you're horribly unobservant. You must have poor reading comprehension too.

I think that women don't want a two way relationship. They say they do, but they really don't. They want the guy to do all the work and decide what to do. And if the guy is too nice, he's not man enough.

Women (American women) play too many games. Its annoying and just not worth it. Why "play the game" when I can just chill out with my guy friends or play on the computer all day? Women are too self-entitled.

Guppy wrote:You're either a woman who fits the above description or you're horribly unobservant. You must have poor reading comprehension too.

Right, because women are either be uncivil (to their own kind) or vapid. You must belong to the less enlightened sort of your sex. I pity the woman who bothers with you.

When I was young, I used to

Watch behind the curtains

As men walked up and down the street. Wino men, old men.

Young men sharp as mustard.

See them. Men are always

Going somewhere.

They knew I was there. Fifteen

Years old and starving for them.

Under my window, they would pauses,

Their shoulders high like the

Breasts of a young girl,

Jacket tails slapping over

Those behinds,

Men.

One day they hold you in the

Palms of their hands, gentle, as if you

Were the last raw egg in the world. Then

They tighten up. Just a little. The

First squeeze is nice. A quick hug.

Soft into your defenselessness. A little

More. The hurt begins. Wrench out a

Smile that slides around the fear. When the

Air disappears,

Your mind pops, exploding fiercely, briefly,

Like the head of a kitchen match. Shattered.

It is your juice

That runs down

I don't think the whole "What's the point of getting married?" sentiment is genuine among most men who aren't pursuing women. For most, it's a bogus excuse for not attracting a mate.

However, I do agree with the underlying idea of your post. Lots of men are giving up on women. I certainly have.

My feeling is, "Why would a woman today want to marry me?" The modern feminist movement has told me that women don't want to get be enslaved in a marriage and don't want to have kids. Maybe there are are a few exceptions. Okay, so why would they want to marry me? Money? I probably won't be making much more than them after college. Companionship? I have met some girls who made great companions; unfortunately, none of them were hot.

If I don't have a nice woman by the time I'm about 37, I'm going to get an Asian or an Eastern European woman. That is the advantage of being a man.

not true wrote:

If I don't have a nice woman by the time I'm about 37, I'm going to get an Asian or an Eastern European woman. That is the advantage of being a man.

Not a bad strategy. American women are so spoiled and stuck up, and pushing me away. You gotta watch out for the gold-diggers in Asian and Eastern Europe too, but there are some beautiful, genuine women there who would love the company of an American man.