WTF are cross fit style sprint repeats and how are they different than Daniels R-Repeat sprints?

Precious Roy wrote:

I could eat steak three meals a day [..] But, I do not want to die of colon cancer

Oh not this again. Correlation != causation.

There was a study that showed increased cancer risk among guys who like BBQ and hang out in burger joints. Yes, but those are also the guys that like to smoke a cigar/ette, drink some booze, sleep around w/ random women, ...

If you eat beef from grass fed cows not treated with antibiotics and don't wrap it from both sides with nasty HFCS bred and HFCS ketchup and have a side with fries, then this is extremely healthy.

But very few people eat that way.

"And why are you so bothered that runners actually care about their sport and get upset when another sport tries to promote itself by slamming running? What could be more appropriate then standing up for the sport you have dedicated so much of your time and energy to? How in the world is that a bad thing? Or is it just that runners are little geeks who should know their place and should not speak up when attacked by the real men with big muscles?"

No, but all that is made up in your head... that's not happening. You're chasing windmills dude.

I'd say that if someone has been trying to get fit, or lose weight and they've struggled with running but then found some success with crossfit, then that's a great thing.

I think the REASON so many people never do well running is because they never crank it up. They start training for a half marathon, but only focus on working their way up to a 10-13 mile run on the weekend. They never run hard enough to really hurt... but that's a different topic.

ataglance wrote:

They never run hard enough to really hurt... but that's a different topic.

"Hard enough" in runners language. What is this. lol. Try this for "hard enough":

Justin91 wrote:

Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

Thanks for contributing, but it's worth to point out that 10k race pace is for the active/very short recovery between the sprints. The sprints itself are at max speed. VERY FAST.

I'll leave it to the readers to judge if the guy in the video is sprinting (A) VERY FAST, or (B) slow. He has a 6:30 Helen which makes it one of the fastest times out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVNTrJQ1uog

I'd say (B). He also needs to learn how to do a pull-up, he didn't do a single one correctly.

Can we just agree on a few things?

1) For most people any exercise is better than the alternative, and they should do what they like

2) For the average recreational athlete, crossfit is a good overall workout that probably produces the most well-rounded results if you can stay uninjured

3) For competetive runners, crossfit is at best a potentially useful supplement to standard training (pick Lydiard, Daniels, etc.), which has decades of science and real-world results behind it

Blowing.Rock Master wrote:

I'd say (B). He also needs to learn how to do a pull-up, he didn't do a single one correctly.

Functional movement. Do you care how the fire fighter climbs up to your apartment when it's burning or is it just important that he gets up there THE MOST EFFICIENT kinda way?

You know the answer, bro.

peace baby wrote:

Can we just agree on a few things?

1) For most people any exercise is better than the alternative, and they should do what they like

2) For the average recreational athlete, crossfit is a good overall workout that probably produces the most well-rounded results if you can stay uninjured

3) For competetive runners, crossfit is at best a potentially useful supplement to standard training (pick Lydiard, Daniels, etc.), which has decades of science and real-world results behind it

1. Agreed.

2. Wrong. A mix of cardio (any type) and strength training would produce the most well-rounded results with less chance of injury.

3. Wrong. If Crossfit workouts helped competitive runners, then elites would be doing them.

I know he didn't do any pull-ups. He did cheat-ups. He also wasn't running a quarter mile. What did they measure that with, a truck?

Bigdude wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

I could eat steak three meals a day [..] But, I do not want to die of colon cancer

Oh not this again. Correlation != causation.

There was a study that showed increased cancer risk among guys who like BBQ and hang out in burger joints. Yes, but those are also the guys that like to smoke a cigar/ette, drink some booze, sleep around w/ random women, ...

If you eat beef from grass fed cows not treated with antibiotics and don't wrap it from both sides with nasty HFCS bred and HFCS ketchup and have a side with fries, then this is extremely healthy.

But very few people eat that way.

Correlation does equal causation. It is called epidemiology.

Precious Roy wrote:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Red-meat-and-colon-cancer.shtml

Correlation does equal causation. It is called epidemiology.

From your link:

"The study from England [..] does not prove that red meat causes cancer"

So in the end, it's all speculation. Also, the study is from England. I take studies from England with a grain of salt, to say it in a polite way.

Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

Blowing.Rock Master wrote:

I'd say (B). He also needs to learn how to do a pull-up, he didn't do a single one correctly.

Functional movement. Do you care how the fire fighter climbs up to your apartment when it's burning or is it just important that he gets up there THE MOST EFFICIENT kinda way?

You know the answer, bro.

Traditional pull-ups will increase strength over a wider range of motion more effectively than 'kipping' pull-ups. FACT.

You can possibly make the case that metabolic conditioning isn't stressed as highly when proper form is considered, but that is weak reasoning.

The hypothetical firefighter that has more traditional strength and can do more proper pull-ups can probably also do more kipping pull-ups, and if your crossfit firefighter raced him up a latter in a scenario where they are both unconcerned with form and care only for speed, I bet the crossfit guy loses.

I don't expect to change your mind, and I don't really want to because there is merit in Crossfit style stuff, just trying to widen everyone's horizons a bit.

Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

Functional movement. Do you care how the fire fighter climbs up to your apartment when it's burning or is it just important that he gets up there THE MOST EFFICIENT kinda way?

Do you mean sprinting up the stairs (as done in college stadia everywhere decades before crossfit was invented), or standing on one of those telescopic ladder thingies?

Seriously, kipping pullups are just stupid. If you want a high-rep upper body pull for endurance, do something like TRX-style inverted rows (a towel over a rail will do) which nicely balances out the pushups.

On the other hand, doing intervals with some kind of non-running exercise in the recoveries is not a bad idea at all. So good, in fact, that my coach did it on Sunday mornings with us in the mid-80s, and Renato Canova does it in Kenya.

Bigdude wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Red-meat-and-colon-cancer.shtml

Correlation does equal causation. It is called epidemiology.

From your link:

"The study from England [..] does not prove that red meat causes cancer"

So in the end, it's all speculation. Also, the study is from England. I take studies from England with a grain of salt, to say it in a polite way.

So, you are going to start smoking cigarettes? Same evidence. All epidemiological.

This post is just making me angry,

First off, for college and most other runners running at 7 min and below pace is not "slogging" miles, it is a form of active recovery that is better stimulation than just taking a day off.

Second, in a general week i have anywhere from 3-5 different types of running: a thresh hold run, some sort of stride workout, a long run, a repetition workout and some recovery runs around 7 minute pace.

That is no where close to just "slogging" runs, I hope you realize how none of your logic is based in any sort of science.

  wrote:

Thank you for proving my point. Crossfit claims to prepare you for real life events aka "functional strength" however you are indeed just jumping up and down and throwing balls at a wall. Maybe if you're at Target and you think what you need is on a top shelf, so you jump up and grab it...only to realize it isn't and now you have the functional strength to throw it back up. LoL!

And if you are an athlete or even just mildly athletic, yeah running does have more day to day application. What about any of this makes you think you disagree with me, or I with you for that matter???

I'm sorry. I assumed you understood some background stuff that I guess you don't understand. Basketball players don't lift weights because maybe this time in the basketball game, someone will pull out some barbells instead of a basketball. Runners don't do plyometrics to prepare for one-legged butt kicking races. Its called training - you do different exercises to get stronger, faster, be able to jump higher, run farther, and just to not feel like a lazy jerk after sitting at a desk all day. Everyone who exercises trains like this to some degree. I think burpees, box jumps, push ups, short running intervals, etc. - all of the crap they do at crossfit makes you stronger and and more physically fit. That's whats meant by functional fitness. I'm a runner turned crossfitter after finally succumbing to some serious foot problems that have kept me from running normally for the last year or two. I miss running everyday, but I appreciate the benefits of crossfit-style workouts, considering the fact that running more than a few miles at a time is out of the question for me anymore.

Xfitguy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

ataglance wrote:

They never run hard enough to really hurt... but that's a different topic.

"Hard enough" in runners language. What is this. lol. Try this for "hard enough":

You're all hat and no cattle, kid.

Blowing.Rock Master wrote:

I know he didn't do any pull-ups. He did cheat-ups. He also wasn't running a quarter mile. What did they measure that with, a truck?

I'm pretty much the first to criticize Crossfit, but I'll defend it here. Kipping pullups are not to gain strength. Rather they are used in metcons (read: cardio) to (1) get a lower time for competitive Crossfitters, and (2) to involve more of the body's musculature, thus putting more stress on the body's energy systems, and (3) to generate more power, thus helping to build power endurance.

I still don't buy it, but that's the rational. In practice I think it comes down to point (4) there is no such thing as a completely still dead hang pullups. Your legs will naturally swing out a bit as you pull up. Thus there is no bright clear line between not losing your legs at all and using your legs a tiny bit (or a lot). So Crossfit basically says "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and allow any pull-up as long as your chin makes it over the bar.

This is sort of like back in the day when pitchers were forced to pitch underhand and they'd put a little wrist whip in to speed up the ball. Eventually baseball's governing body gave up on trying to make pitchers throw easy and just let them hurl.

While I don't elong to a CF gym, my exercise regimen is very similar.arto what they do. CF needs to eliminate the sprint logo from their workouts. True sprinting provides very specific benefits, and they aren't realized when the athlete is so tired that he is jogging at 10 minutes a mile pace.

My sprint workouts are just that, sprint workouts. Nothing else mixed in. And when done properly, you don't really want to do much after. CF should call the running portion of their workouts running, but that wouldn't sound badass enough, so it will remain sprinting regardless how slow people are moving.

i don't understand why people still take this troll seriously