would one of you average runners start taking EPO pls?

This article is bogus. 90% of the effect is probably placebo. For instance, he claims his eyesight improved. That is ridiculous and undermines his whole article.

The Stache wrote:

EZ10Miler wrote:

Here is the Outside article. It's as close to what everyone on here is talking about as you can get. It's just a guy on a bike instead of running shoes.

http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/Drug-Test.html?page=all

That article was SO interesting to read. To whoever was asking about side effects, look at the part of the article where he talks about "the EPO headache...there is nothing like it" and everyone using EPO knows exactly what you're talking about.

You're comment is bogus. HGH can improve eyesight. They're called performance enhancing drugs for a reason.

Former college runner scrapes into NCAA late in college. Qual for USAs once or twice and journeyman runner for half decade. Huge improvement after 30. 8% or so. UH huh, right.

HGH definellty improves eye sight and heals scars, etc.

For a real world example, look at Cathal Lombard.

He was a 30:30 on the track and within 1 year of using EPO was running 27:30 for 10k.

The story about the guy using EPO to race his college teammate is bogus.

The guy who posted about his 'friend' using EPO is totally true though because he knows everything about the dosing and how to avoid testing via micro dosing. Great post.

misewell just sign up for a heart attack while you're at it

TLW wrote:

For a real world example, look at Cathal Lombard.

He was a 30:30 on the track and within 1 year of using EPO was running 27:30 for 10k.

Cool. I'll be gunning for the world record next year.

There is no, absolutely no scientific evidence that HGH improves vision. Furthermore, there is no scientific basis by which it could improve vision. This is an urban legend. I guarantee you can't find any evidence to support it.

inception wrote:

You're comment is bogus. HGH can improve eyesight. They're called performance enhancing drugs for a reason.

Cathal also went 14:30 to 13:18.

Aghast - The interesting thing about these drugs is that people respond differently and can have various side effects from the drugs.

20 years man, and granny will be celebrating her 96th birthday with a 25min 5k. mark my words. we're living in the future.

TLW wrote:

Aghast - The interesting thing about these drugs is that people respond differently and can have various side effects from the drugs.

HGH is commonly subscribed in the wealthier areas. Travel to well to do areas on the West Coast and there are boutiques for 'life enhancement'. Clenbuterol is also pretty popular for weight loss too.

prescribed, not subscribed. My phone is auto correcting.

The truth of the matter... wrote:

Though your story is somewhat entertaining, it is very fishy. Why?

1.) If you're out of med school, and likely into your residency, you don't "work for an oncologist". In addition, no physician in his right mind would neither sell nor write you a script for epo. That would put their medical license at risk.

3.) You don't write like you have enough education to have made it TO med school, let alone have made it through. That is, unless English is not your native tongue.

I just admitted before your post that I made up the story.

I was also trying to emulate the writing style of the average letsrun troll, so thank you for your 2nd comment to validate my attempt.

P.S. Your lack of ability to count to 2 (based on the numbering of your comments) shows that you probably don't have enough education to have made it to elementary school. So huge thumbs up on figuring out how to utilize the internet. Your mommy must be proud.

[quote]Aghast wrote:

This article is bogus. 90% of the effect is probably placebo. For instance, he claims his eyesight improved. That is ridiculous and undermines his whole article."

Yeah he was only taking epo, high and anabolic steroids Yeah probably alllllll in his head. (you are a fool .)

LT Watcher wrote:

Former college runner scrapes into NCAA late in college. Qual for USAs once or twice and journeyman runner for half decade. Huge improvement after 30. 8% or so. UH huh, right.

There's a guy I used to beat in high school who is now one of the best milers in the country. I have a hard time believing he is clean. I want to, because it's an amazing story and I like the guy.

I believe in breakthroughs. Hell, I've had some big ones. But his breakthroughs have been many times better. He came from a really good high school program, so it's not like he was flying under the radar like some kids do.

Everything comes with a price wrote:

I'll share my story.

...

Stopped running for a few years after college when I got too busy in med school. I now work for an oncologist where we have easy access to this stuff.

(I worked it out with my boss so it comes out of my salary, not stealing it).

BS. Even a junior partner in a practice would never say "I work 'for' a ..." or refer to them as "my boss." It just doesn't work that way.

Your "boss," an oncologist, worked it out to deduce money from your billings (assuming fee-for-service) or salary (less likely) so that you can walk out of the clinic with EPO? Again, BS. You'd need a hell of a fun accountant...

Can anyone 'in the know' tell me about HIF-PH inhibitors?

These are pills that mimic the effects of EPO right?

Is it likely that their use is rampant among the elites these days?

As far as I know these drugs are still going through the testing phases but I've heard rumours that they might be the reason Armstrong came out of retirement and have been available for years.

I just admitted before your post that I made up the story.

I was also trying to emulate the writing style of the average letsrun troll, so thank you for your 2nd comment to validate my attempt.

P.S. Your lack of ability to count to 2 (based on the numbering of your comments) shows that you probably don't have enough education to have made it to elementary school. So huge thumbs up on figuring out how to utilize the internet. Your mommy must be proud.[/quote]

Ha Ha -- good one! Funny how AFTER you admit your story is bogus, folks are quick to jump in and state their suspicions about it.

Someone posted a study of blood doping once that was pretty interesting. They showed huge gains in 10k performance using the standard blood storing and injection method. It really makes me wonder why anyone would bother with EPO when blood packing is undetectable without a biological passport like cycling has.

I can't find the study I was thinking of, but this one is very interesting:

http://www.clinchem.org/content/57/5/762.full

Check out this graph:

http://www.clinchem.org/content/57/5/762/F2.expansion.html

You can see the doping cycle of Athlete B throughout her career.