Ponce arrested

my lucky day wrote:

When an adult tells a student they will be expelled for not performing oral sex, it has a lot more weight than when someone your same age says it. Do you understand power and manipulation at all or are you just not thinking clearly?

Well, first, I was talking about in general not in a position of power. I completely do think that it's inappropriate in a position of power.

But I think it should be illegal for anyone in a position of power to be in any kind of relationship with a subordinate (possibly unless they were already in a relationship). No matter the ages.

To your response to the other poster and in relation to my initial response, if 14 yr olds are so childish, then they should be prohibited from having sex with ANYONE not just adults. Many 14 yr olds may or may not be mentally mature for a relationship, but many are physically mature which is enough for a sexual relationship. Marrying or taking the virginity of a minor should be the only things that are illegal to a person not in a position of power.

What 14 yr old is going to blow their teacher if they don't want to? That's a stupid example. If they are dumb enough for that at 14 yrs old, then they will never be any brighter and should be prohibited from having sex FOREVER. 14 yr olds aren't that stupid. They will simply tell their parents as soon as they get home. This is what 14 yr old girls love to do - to make trouble for people.

Just because I'm not stating that a 14 year old shouldn't have sex with another 14 year old doesn't mean I think it's o.k. A 14 year old having sex with another 14 year old is more apples to apples than a 14 year old and a teacher.

I'm trying to stay on topic and the topic is that it should be illegal with severe punishment for someone with a position of power to take advantage of a child.

As to your last few sentences, I have one word for a response...Sandusky. I'm sure it was tongue in cheek though as you at least present a well written argument whether or not I agree with you.

my lucky day wrote:

Just because I'm not stating that a 14 year old shouldn't have sex with another 14 year old doesn't mean I think it's o.k. A 14 year old having sex with another 14 year old is more apples to apples than a 14 year old and a teacher.

So, TWO immature people instead of just ONE and one who knows how to deal with situations? I vote for no sex with anyone who's the same age under 18. The law is super backwards.

If the guy wasn't a bad guy, then I'd feel much better having a more mature/experienced/knowledgable person interact with my daughter than someone her age. He'd know how to deal with relationship situations, and worst case, he'd actually be able to support my daughter if she got pregnant. In general, I'd probably feel this way until she turned 30. 30 yr old males would be as ok as they are ever going to be.

If the guy wasn't a bad guy, then I'd feel much better having a more mature/experienced/knowledgable person interact with my daughter than someone her age. He'd know how to deal with relationship situations, and worst case, he'd actually be able to support my daughter if she got pregnant. In general, I'd probably feel this way until she turned 30. 30 yr old males would be as ok as they are ever going to be.

Ha! That's gross! But, you did make me laugh about a vile scenario. I think a 30 year old male will try to knock the bottom out of it just like a 14 year old boy will and then start looking for the next victim as Masse did and it sounds like Ponce did as well.

If your saving grace is that she'll be taken care of by a 30 year old teacher, it sounds a little selfish to me. You'd really want your 14 year old daughter to marry a pervert that was scheming on other underage girls (again, as it sounds like Ponce and Masse did)? You think your little girl is so special she's going to be the one to "settle" the predator down into a relationship? Likely not. You'll be raising the grandchild along with your child. Then, your daughter will have to explain to an appropriate aged boyfriend about her child from someone old enough to be their grandfather. That's assuming the person that took advantage of her was 30! What if he's a "nice guy" but actually 60! Are you going to set laws that are different for 30 year old males vs. 60 year old males?

I don't always think the courts get it right but this time I think they do.

That was my closing statement. I'm done!

haha I think you're missing my points.

Just because you're attracted to someone younger than you doesnt make you a predator. Even acting on it doesnt make you a predator. A predator is someone who has a special and exclusive attraction to something. So I guess EVERYONE is a predator of some sort being that they are attracted to only females or males (or I guess both if you're greedy).

And never said anything about my daughter hooking up with predators and settling them down. Nor did I say that she'd be taken care of by a 30 yr old teacher. Where did those statements come from? I specifically said that no one should be involved with anyone who is a subordinate.

And who cares how old my daughter's bf/mate is? There's nothing you can/should do about it just because you think it's "gross". If a guy won't date my daughter because of who she has dated before (age, hair color, race), then he is a stupid guy.

Another teacher arrested yesterday in Colorado for the same, but this time female.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19680223

The law exists so that older people can't manipulate teenagers into sex . If the older person is "seduced" by a teenager, then it's their responsibility to follow the law and fight the urge. And the adult should have the maturity to do so.

GFR wrote:

Another teacher arrested yesterday in Colorado for the same, but this time female.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19680223

Nice. I thought there was a precedent set in South Park, CO that under the opposite gender circumstances, this was not a crime. Nice.

anyone want place any wagers as to whether she gets the 10 years to life that Masse got?

Ha Ha. Here is the latest on the 27 year old female teacher in CO who had her way with a 17 year old male student. In light of the South Park episode, honestly, they describe the guy's horrifying experience as: "the 17-year-old victim and McLean are believed to have met each other during the production of a high school play at Englewood High School, CBS4 reports. McLean would occasionally drive the victim home from rehearsals and in McLean's car is where they allegedly wound up having sex together somewhere around Nov 15. and Nov. 16."

How was he a "victim," when the article goes on to say he was turned in by his sister because he was "bragging about a sexual relationship with McLean. The victim told police that he and McLean had consensual sex in her car twice and that McLean did not threaten him or make any promises."

Good God, as the Police said in South Park, "give him his luckiest boy in America medal right away."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/06/alexandra-mcclean-englewood-high_n_1189162.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl7%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D125410

Wanna see Ponce? Just go to Mags on either a Saturday or Sunday. He will be there. He still runs. Go ahead and ask him if he did anything wrong.

Ponce is in Mexico by now, or further south than that. He ain't coming back anytime soon.

Night Train wrote:

Wanna see Ponce? Just go to Mags on either a Saturday or Sunday. He will be there. He still runs. Go ahead and ask him if he did anything wrong.

What is "Mags" ?

Magnolia Road, the Buffs do long runs there in Nederland above Boulder.

Have any of you read the book or watched the movie Lolita? Yes Lolita seduces the professor but the relationship is a mess. She wants to be treated as an adult and should be because she's doing adult things for him. He treats her like a child and he should because she is a child. You see how this does not work. Lolita ends up running away.