Avril Lavigne

Oh, I see. Punk has changed. It no longer has anything to do with its roots. That makes sense. And you're from the rockabilly heartland. I'm from gangsta rap heartland --- I've raced in Compton as it was just down the street from where I lived -- doesn't mean I know anything about rap, which I don't. If you are going to say Ness, Graffin and Warren Fitzgerald are not punk, there is nothing left to discuss. As far as being out of touch, I'll bet I saw Dropkick Murphy's, Face To Face, AFI and Anti-Flag before you did. Or are they not punk enough for you either. By the way, Avril not writing her own songs is conjecture. Show me the writing credits for her songs. If you go to punk clubs, I'll bet you look a lot like every other "punk" there. Do you wear the chains dangling from your pocket? It's people like you that take a good theme and turn it into a theme park. I will say this. I'll bet we are more alike than you'd care to admit. You just haven't gotten that "Look at me, I'm different... why are you staring at me?" chip off your shoulder yet. If you're not too pissed off, give me five bands that are great punk in your eyes. I'll check them out because I do bet they'll be good.

I am way too old to care about this topic, but I'll only say the greatest thing about Avril is that she is not Britney, who is the TRUE scourge of modern music.

As for true "punk" credentials, hardly anyone has ever been more overpraised than Patty Smith. The fact that she aggressively curried favor with rock critics, and even had one as her lead guitarist, had a lot to do with that. You've have a hard time picking five songs in her entire oeuvre (other than "Gloria" and "Because The Night," which originated with Van Morrison and Bruce Springsteen, respectively) that are worth saving.

name checking is very punk rock.

greatest punk/hardcore bands to me in my lifetime:

1.Hickey

2.His Hero is Gone/Tragedy

3.Dystopia

4.Los Crudos

5.Locust

and seriously, you couldnt pick me out of a crowd; never have owned a chain, never wore a patch or a button or an assflap, never died my hair. but again, you seem overly stuck on image over content; fine,whatever, its not worth it, just baffeling.

He's just a boy, and I'm just a girl

Can I make it anymore obvious?

We are in love, haven't you heard, how we rock each other's world?

I'm with the sk8er boi, I said see you later boy

I'll be backstage after the show

I'll be at the studio singing the song we wrote

About a girl you used to know.

I bet Eve Libertine would be singing those lyrics if she could get on VH1 and Clear Channel too.

The Pixies. That is about as new as punk should be. This new stuff is commercialized shit. It's got no anything, just formula anger, put out by huge labels to "grab the kiddies angst." So we have a bunch of the kiddies walking around thinking they are angry, because the listen to music that the industry tells them is angry, intellectual punk. It's all rubbish.

Where can you point out where I have suggested image over content? My every post is in direct contradiction to that. In case you thought I was being sarcastic, I asked about the groups you liked because I figured that in spite of your exclusionist attitude, they would actually be good and wanted to check them out. I'm sure as hell not going to find many good punk groups on the radio so when I get ahold of someone who knows their stuff, regardless of attitude, I ask them what they like. Anway, have a nice day.

is a failure to communicate. I don't think that the problem of "who is punk" today lies with the artists although they go along with the charade. It is the record companies and video music channels who are doing this. I saw a commercial for a ?punk? compilation that had on it Blink 182, and Sum 41 among others. Now who is going to say that either of them are ?punk? any more than this Avril chick claims to be (although I still hate her music).

Granted they rock more than her whiny music, but I still do not see them as "punk". Just my .02

The problem here is, anytime anyone, whether it be on this thread or in real life, tries to argue what "punk" really is, they just look like a complete dolt.

You cheapen the entire concept. You whiny bunch of nerds bantering back and forth about what constitutes "punk" is Lame City.

"When I was punk I was way more punk than you!!!!!!!!"

The problem with Avril is not whether or not she is punk. The problem is that she can't sing.

Well,

Yesterday on TRL, Avril herself stated that she in NOT PUNK. She did however, act like a ditzy and not at all well-spoken crackhead with a bland personality. That is just based on observation while she was on the show.

AVRIL SUCKS! She is an overhyped performer, who only appeals to 14 year old white girls who live in the suburbs and think their lives suck because daddy wouldn't buy them everything their friends have and horny old men who mute her music videos and jerk off.

She was on the Ellen Degeneres show today...good stuff!

Her, Ritz or Webb?

Avril may make music that's easy to listen to, but its not based on talent, punk, or any of that, its based on what her producers think will sell. That being said, i think her music presents a lot better message than Britney or any other random pop songstress, but she still has no talent and is definitely a "poser" as far as punk is concerned.

[quote]This is gay wrote:

Does anyone care what a certain group or individuals music is classified as?

Aparently so, this thread has been going on for a few days now.

Every single cut on "Horses" is outstanding.

no makeup wrote:

The problem here is, anytime anyone, whether it be on this thread or in real life, tries to argue what "punk" really is, they just look like a complete dolt.

You cheapen the entire concept. You whiny bunch of nerds bantering back and forth about what constitutes "punk" is Lame City.

"When I was punk I was way more punk than you!!!!!!!!"

Love the thread. Mall rats arguing over who's punk or not. There's only one word that describes Avril and her music: Galleria.

She's one of those pre-packaged flavor of the months. There's some balding, 50-year-old marketing guru in LA who already knows who the next Avril is going to be. You'll be suckered in again, and you'll feel stupid.

That regardless of whether her style or her music really is punk, it isn't really her. She didn't write her songs, a group of 50 year old corporate songwriters did. Same thing with her image- created by her label. Until she was signed she was singing gospel. Who cares if she doesn't know who David Bowie is; she is only a singer with a made-to-order image.

Hey..Im 50..I think she's sexy as hell