MARION JONES TELLS THE TRUTH, THEREFORE SHE IS GUILTY

I was going to say the same thing. She is being very careful with her words right now. Everything I have heard her say is in the form of "I have never taken any illegal drug..." She could be posturing in the sense that she was taking performance enhancers like THG but they weren't banned (but only becuase they weren't known). This is going to get ugly.

It's very ironic that so many people are up in arms with plans to let transgender individuals compete in the Olympics when such a large portion of the ladies competing have already completed the hormone portion of a gender reassignment. Of course, their reassignment is from women to men. The transgenders will have less testosterone in their systems than the so called "regular ladies".

The question a journalist needs to ask Marion is: "have you ever cheated?" Then watch her reaction. We knew that throwers were always dirty. I guess it is fair to surmise that the same is true of all sprinters.

Reach up! Quick! Hurry! There it goes! Zooooom!!!! Missed it! Went right over your head.

Now, if you had asked me nicely...

Comic Book Guy wrote:

...in the sense that she was taking performance enhancers like THG but they weren't banned (but only becuase they weren't known).

They may not have been known but they were banned! Derivatives of known steroids and related substances ARE banned under the IAAF/WADA code. The IAAF do not list all banned substances individually. This will not be part of any winning defense and it certainly didn't help Chambers!

Of course it is fair to surmise that all sprinters are cheaters! Just like it is fair to surmise that all American servicemen beat up Iraqi prisoners and that all white men are philanderers since Bill Clinton cheated on Hilary and David Beckham did also.

Beckham cheated on Hilary Clinton?

well, now that we all agree...

In their minds they don't think they are "cheating."

It is twisted logic, but they can easily rationalize their behavior.

Pick one:

"Everyone is doing it."

"What's this starnge stuff in the bathroom cabinet CJ?"

"I can't compete at this level without taking XYZ."

"The doctor prescribed XYZ because I have a family history of narcolepsy." (Substitute any real illness/disease here for which the drug could be used legitmately.)

"I did not test positive in any drug test, so therefore I am innocent and clean."

"I will sue everyone if you stop me making my living/being a superstar/going to Athens."

Please add your own quotes.

I think the end of the road is staring at people like Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and a host of others. It would probably be unwise for them to make hotel reservations in Athens just yet.

What is Marion really is drug-free. If you were her, how would you be acting?

I find it sad that these athletes would resort to drugs.

Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Barry Bonds, and anyone else associated with BALCO or drugs would have been stellar athletes WITHOUT drugs.

Marion is a monster of a woman, taller than most with phenomenal gifts and abilities (formber basketball star). She would have been great without drugs. Kelli White would've been great without drugs...

NOW, the question is if they would be on top of the world without drugs. In Marion's case, I think so. In White's case, I think not.

The bottom line is human nature and GREED. All of these atheltes wanted more: they wanted faster, higher, stronger, better, leaner, thicker, sharper, more explosive and more importantly, I think every athlete wants their 19.32 or their 3:53.43 performance. That performance that leaves people in awe. That performance we call "Beamonesque".

All these athletes could've been great without drugs, but I think all of them wanted to become this era's Achilles.

Welcome to Troy, guys. Enjoy your stay and pray you make it out alive.

Why wan't Marion so outspoken on all these issues when her freaking husband was doping? If she was so committed to cleaning up the sport should could have started by stopping payment on that $7,500 steroid bill CJ paid from her account.

Suddenly, when USADA has her by the clackers, she's all for a drug free sport. 4 years ago she was buying them for her husband. The timing, volume, and equivocal nature of her outcry are indicative of her own guilt.

The truth is that these drugs DO work. They really are PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING.

In a sprint event, a few fractions of a second makes a bigdifference.

Some of us were writing about this topic in 1988 when Flojo was the subject of the speculation, among many others.

It's not new - go back to the late 1950's and early 60's with Irina and Tamara Press from the USSR, through to Kratochvilova, and so it goes. It's more subtle now, but it is the same cheating in the desire to be the best.

No matter what the cost to your health. It's very sad.

You wrote,

They may not have been known but they were banned! Derivatives of known steroids and related substances ARE banned under the IAAF/WADA code. The IAAF do not list all banned substances individually. This will not be part of any winning defense and it certainly didn't help Chambers!

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I say ,

Not quite, some derivatives and some related compounds are or seem to be banned whilst come are not.

The Q thus becomes ,how do you tell which are banned and which are not?

Mr. Latimer--

Where do you draw the line? Alberto Salazar's name was also on a BALCO endorsement list. Is he any less guilty than Marion? Neither had a positive test and both are guilty of being associated with BALCO.

No positive test was the defense for Mary Slaney. Ratio's were out of wack, but no positive test. The public bought it and USATF put her in the Hall of Fame. What is your opinion on this one?

Make sure your answers are consistent.

You say.

No matter what the cost to your health.

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I say.

What if there is only benfit to health,remember thats what they were designed for.

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You said,

The truth is that these drugs DO work. They really are PERFORMANCE-ENHANCING.

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I say.

Which drugs do you refer to?

Lone Star wrote:

I find it sad that these athletes would resort to drugs.

Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Barry Bonds, and anyone else associated with BALCO or drugs would have been stellar athletes WITHOUT drugs.

No, Kelli White would not have been stellar without drugs. She never won a state, SEC or NCAA title. Her yearly progression through 2000:

100m

1995: 11.55, 2)Arcadia, 2)GWI, 3)US Jr, #4 HS All-American

1996: 11.60

1997: 11.42, 4)SEC, 5)NCAA, 8sf)USATF

1998: 11.27, 3)SEC, 5)NCAA

1999: 11.20, 3)SEC, 6)NCAA, US-ranked #7

2000: 11.19

200m

1995: 23.49, 2)Cal State, 2)GWI, 2)Arcadia, 1)US Jr, #3 HS All-American

1996: not in US top 50

1997: 23.30, 5)SEC, 7sf)NCAA, 6sf)USATF

1998: 22.58, 2)SEC, 4)NCAA, 2h)USATF, US-ranked #9

1999: 22.65, 3)SEC, 3)NCAA, 5)USATF, US-ranked #5

2000: 23.08, 7sf)Oly Trials, US-ranked #10

Then she took off, going from never-world-ranked to W Ch bronze and then tops in the world. The drugs worked very well.

Runnerman5000 wrote:

Beckham cheated on Hilary Clinton?

Hardy har. Best post of the day

Just having your name on a list means not very much. I am assuming that USADA has a little more on MJ, hence her "fight" back at this time.

Alberto Salazar is a separate discussion. He has certainly had health problems since his glory days.

To answer the other points and following post:

Mary Slaney was "guilty" in many of our minds whether or not she had a positive test. I wouldn't have put her in any Hall of Fame - but I'm not voting. Same with Flojo. Supposedly no positives, though numerous positives got "buried" back then.

Drugs created for positive effects on severe illnesses will always be misused by others. HGH is a perfect example.