John Kellogg(JK) has said a football player isn't in shape because he just runs balls-out quarters?

By "in shape", I am guessing he means in shape to run a good race (mile+), as opposed to the crossfit definition of in shape which is what I think you assumed.

That's a tough one- in shape. At our HS the cheerleaders work harder than the football players- you can't even compare. The baseball players do nothing.

Then you get into what is an athlete? Why is a baseball player an athlete?

Why is a hobbling pro QB and athlete? Why are linemen athletes?

Wrestlers- obviously they use speed, strength, and endurance in that all out 3 period bout.

It's a tough one and is based more on cultural bias. I mean there are Americans who think Derek Jeter is a world class athlete and Europeans who laugh at that.

He is not talking directly about football players and neither is he degrading their potential. I may surprise you, but not everyone is out to talk smack about people. He is talking about the affects of training. He says even a talented athletic person that focuses on running hard intervals won't get as much out of them as they could with an aerobic base.

turkey leg wrote:

He says even a talented athletic person that focuses on running hard intervals won't get as much out of them as they could with an aerobic base.

should HS football players start running like 30-40mpw?

i guess balls out means person sprints so hard the balls come out

First, he's saying that even a football player can run a workout that consist of a bunch of 400s. But it wont do much good in being a good distance runner if you don't have good aerobic shape.

Second, the term "balls out" originated back in the day of steam engines when they had a centrifugal governor, which when it was running "balls out" meant it was running at or close to top speed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_governor

10 "balls out" quarters is probably one of the hardest workouts I've ever done. Go run 400m all out. Rest. Repeat. That is hard.

One way to define being "in shape" is to look at the 5 characteristics of fitness:

1. Muscular Strength

2. Muscular Endurance

3. Cardiovascular Endurance

4. Flexibility

5. Body Composition

To test these we can do the following:

1. 1 Rep Max Bench and 1 Rep Max Leg Press

2. Pushups and Situps

3. 1 mile run

4. Sit and Reach Test

5. 7 site skin caliper

A distance runner would perform high compared to other athletes on two, maybe three, of those tests. Once you start testing athletic skills it gets even more hairy for the distance runner:

1. Agility

2. Speed

3. Power

4. Balance

A distance runner is not a great athlete, he doesn't have to be, he only has to run in one direction.

Alan

Show me one football guy who can run 10 all out 400's in a single day. Hell, show me any runner who can do it. I hope JK was speaking figuratively, like in the Bible.

Bum Phillips: (when asked about Oilers RB Earl Campbell's inability to finish a 1 mile run in training camp) "When it's first and a mile, I won't give it to him."

cowboybob wrote:

Show me one football guy who can run 10 all out 400's in a single day. Hell, show me any runner who can do it. I hope JK was speaking figuratively, like in the Bible.

seriously.

know what an all-out 400 is called?

a 400m race.

The ladies like the football players Doing balls out quarters better than the distance runners

Balls out yo wrote:

The ladies like the football players Doing balls out quarters better than the distance runners

Dat necro.