The Current UNC team should be named up there
The Current UNC team should be named up there
1. Mathews Motshwarateu, Texas-El Paso, 28:45.6
2. Michael Musyoki. Texas-El Paso, 28:46.4
3. Gabriel Kamau, Texas-El Paso, 29:19.3
4. Mark Scrutton, Colorado, 29.22.1
5. Graeme Fell, San Diego State, 29:30.4
6. Alan Scharsu, Penn State, 29:30.5
7. Suleiman Nyambui, Texas-El Paso, 29:32.6
8. Gidamis Shahanga, Texas-El Paso, 29:33.6
9. David Taylor, Arkansas, 29:35.6
10. Richard Tuwei. Washington State, 29:36.
1981 UTEP
27:36.2 ...... Gabriel Kamau' (UTEP)
27:38.1 ... Gidamis Shahanga' (UTEP)
27:38.6 ......... Zack Barie' (UTEP)
27:51.3 ... Suleiman Nyambui' (UTEP) Oly 5k silver (80)
28:03.25 ...... Mike Musyoki' (UTEP) Oly 10k bronze (84)
Motshwarateu 7:51.8 13:29.6 27:48.2 61:21
Musyoki 7:46.4 13:24.89 27:41.92 60:43 2:10:30 1984 Olympic Bronze 10k
Kamau 13:42.67 27:36.2 2:10:05
Nyambui 3:35.8 3:51.94 7:40.3 13:12.29 27:51.73 2:09:52 1980 Olympic Silver 5000
Shahanga 7:48.26 13:34.18 27:38.1 2:08:32 1983 WC 10k (5th)
Oregon also had Art Boileau, 2:11, Boston runner-up and Canadian Olympic Marathoner. Freshman Jim Hill, 8:48 2 mile H.S., 13:19 & 27:55 performer was a redshirt. McChesney. Ken Martin still holds the school record in the steeple @ 8:20.
[quote]break it up wrote:
As far as I know of the 1979 Oregon team, Salazar was the defending cross champs and ran 13:22 and around 27:40 in college (1980 US Olympian). Chapa ran 7:37 for the AR in the 3000 and 13:19 in 1980. Clary was a 13:35-13:40 runner who made the Olmpic team in the 5000 in 1984. McChesney made the US Olympic team for 5000 in 1980 and still has the Oregon school record for 5000. Ken Martin was a sub 8:30 steepler and plus a future 2:09 marathoner when the world record was just under 2:07. That team also had Jeff Nelson who ran 8:36 for two miles in high school and 13:44 as a freshman that following spring.
categorically wrote:
Adams State scored 15. You don't get much more dominant than this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512aYJvzlvL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
This isn't even the best Adams State team ever. I understand that they scored 15, but DII wasn't very good back then. The ASC team from 2 years ago would've wipped the floor with '92 team.
Well here is the team from nowhere.
Wesleyan late 60's
Bill Rodgers
Amby Burfoot
Jeff Galloway
Not a bad group for such a small school. I have no idea how they did at XC however.
This is the end of this thread.
Yup the best NCAA Division I team ever. But Kamua,Baries and Shahanga times were not run in 1981. They were run at the 1982 Mt. Sac race, with Mark Nenow spliting then up with his 27:36.7.
also, keep in mind what the world records were at the time that they ran these times.
imagine a college team with 5 guys between 26:48 and 27 flat today for 10K.
this board wouldn't be able to handle it.
27:49.3, unless he redshirted a year and ran as a 23-year-old.
It's not valid to use UTEP or Oregon members' future accomplishments in a discussion of their strength at a time years before those accomplishments, particularly in comparison to a more contemporary team whose members are still in their prime. What they became later, no matter how impressive, is not relevant to how great a team were in one particular season.
I thought last years UNC team would be up there but this year they definitely will be. Thanks to Vanhoy and co. they'll be one of the all time greats before the years out.
Jeffster!! wrote:
Well here is the team from nowhere.
Wesleyan late 60's
Bill Rodgers
Amby Burfoot
Jeff Galloway
Not a bad group for such a small school. I have no idea how they did at XC however.
I would actually be very interested to see how this team was in XC. Was this before they made the current DI/DII/DIII divisions or after?
Fantabulous wrote:
Jeffster!! wrote:Well here is the team from nowhere.
Wesleyan late 60's
Bill Rodgers
Amby Burfoot
Jeff Galloway
Not a bad group for such a small school. I have no idea how they did at XC however.
I would actually be very interested to see how this team was in XC. Was this before they made the current DI/DII/DIII divisions or after?
I looked at the Wesleyan webpage and they have meet records going way back and it looks like they were not very good in the late 60's but had been better in the early 60's.
http://www.wesleyan.edu/athletics/mxcountry/all-time_records/index.htmlThat's really awesome that they have records available going back that far. I wish more teams did that.
Washington State in the late 70s with Henry Rono and Samson Kimombwa.
I know that this is getting off topic (although this thread is dead ... anyone debating that UTEP is grasping at straws ...) but I need to comment on that Wesleyan record list.
1. The first coach, J. Fred Swanson, coached from 1920 until 1962 ... that's 43 seasons.
2. The next coach, Elmer Swanson, coached from 1963 until 1997, that's another 35 seasons. Two coaches, 78 years. Yow.
3. Around here we know that Wesleyan and Trinity had a very heated rivalry. They ran a dual every year from 1965 until 1998 with Wesleyan winning every single year. Trinity finally won in 1999, and then the meet stopped. You Wesleyan folks must be a bunch of babies .....
Burfoot was class of 68, he won Boston the spring of his senior year.
http://www.wesleyan.edu/athletics/halloffame/inductee-info/2008-fall/ambrose-burfoot.html
Rodgers was class of 70.
http://www.wesleyan.edu/athletics/halloffame/inductee-info/2008-spring/bill-rodgers.html
Galloway was a year older than Burfoot but I don't know when he graduated. The three may not have overlapped for more than one year though Burfoot reports rooming with Galloway and Rodgers in succession.
Correction: J. Fred Martin
SomeCoach wrote:
I know that this is getting off topic (although this thread is dead ... anyone debating that UTEP is grasping at straws ...) but I need to comment on that Wesleyan record list.
1. The first coach, J. Fred Swanson, coached from 1920 until 1962 ... that's 43 seasons.
2. The next coach, Elmer Swanson, coached from 1963 until 1997, that's another 35 seasons. Two coaches, 78 years. Yow.
3. Around here we know that Wesleyan and Trinity had a very heated rivalry. They ran a dual every year from 1965 until 1998 with Wesleyan winning every single year. Trinity finally won in 1999, and then the meet stopped. You Wesleyan folks must be a bunch of babies .....
Swanson . . . any relation to each other?
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