Heps Cross Country 2011

Why is Columbia warehousing Waverly Neer? She has the potential to be an all-American runner this year. Something is missing here. Could she be injured?

Recovering from stress reaction. Back running though and will race this season.

Not true, heard her and top 10k girl from outdoors are out for XC. Might be back for indoors.

What about david forward from cornell

If XC was on the books I would be buying Dartmouth's stock right now. Columbia looks like a huge bubble. Merber is the only guy in their top five that has strung a consistently good season together, and that was two years ago. A #19 national ranking is quite a stretch.

Princeton will put eight or so guys on the line with top ten potential, but they are also very volatile. History tells us that freshman almost never live up to expectations at Heps, and they seem to be relying on two of them in their top five.

Have any Heps freshmen ever made all american in cross? I know there was speculation earlier on this thread that Eddie Owens had the potential.

I believe Dave Merrick (P' 1975) did, as he was 18th in 1971 (according to Hepstrack records anyways). Also, he got 9th his senior year in 1975.

ivy fan wrote:

Have any Heps freshmen ever made all american in cross? I know there was speculation earlier on this thread that Eddie Owens had the potential.

No they are going to try to run both of them and see how it goes.

InjUred wrote:

No they are going to try to run both of them and see how it goes.

Who is "they," and who are "both of them" referred to in this post? Stanford and the Rosa twins?

Ivy Insider wrote:

Who is "they," and who are "both of them" referred to in this post? Stanford and the Rosa twins?

InjUred isn't good at using the reply button. Her Quote:

No they are going to try to run both of them and see how it goes.

refers to NotTru's quote of:

Not true, heard her and top 10k girl from outdoors are out for XC. Might be back for indoors.

At least that's the only way I can make sense of it. InjUred replied to a post about Waverly Neer's status, then NotTru rebuked that with a post about 2 people, so I assume that InjUred's "they" refers to Columbia's Coaches and "both of them" refers to "her and top 10k girl from outdoors" (Waverly and some other chick)

if Heps were this weekend:

men - 1. Princeton 2. Dartmouth 3. Columbia 4. Harvard 5. Brown 6. Yale 7. Cornell 8. Penn

women - 1. Princeton 2. Yale 3. Dartmouth 4. Cornell

5. Brown 6. Coulmbia 7. Harvard 8. Penn

How is Dartmouth better than Columbia right now on the men's side?

Gytgytg wrote:

How is Dartmouth better than Columbia right now on the men's side?

To be honest, I don't know enough about their men to have an informed opinion of Dartmouth vis-à-vis Columbia, but I can say that Columbia looked extraordinarily impresseive yesterday in their annual cruise at the Metropolitan meet:

Columbia had maybe fifteen men, including all--I think--of their "big" guys, just running a workout on the course before the meet. I'll admit that most people look good during workouts, but these guys just looked tremendously sharp. I don't use the word "awesome" much, but this group was close to that.

Their B/C squad guys then ran the meet, and really had it under control immediately. I'd suggest you listen to WBP's commentary at the "video" link here for more details:

Based on teams that I've seen in recent years, the Columbia men absolutely deserve their national ranking. By the way, their women JVs, especially at the front, were also very impressive yesterday.

So what's up this weekend? I see that Cornell is going split squad--anyone else going to multiple meets?

F.Y.I. wrote:

So what's up this weekend? I see that Cornell is going split squad--anyone else going to multiple meets?

Yes - Harvard is sending their A squad to Wisconsin while their B squad is going to RI. Princeton is also sending their A squad to Wisconsin while I believe their B squad will stay at home for Princeton Invite.

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Friday, October 14

Brown & Harvard at the Rothenberg Run (Goddard Park: East Greenwich, R.I.)

Cornell, Penn & Yale at Penn State National Invitational (Penn State Golf Course: University Park, Pa.)

Harvard, Princeton at Wisconsin adidas Invitational (Zimmer Championship Course: Madison, Wis.)

Saturday, October 15

Cornell at Yellowjacket Invitational (Genesee Valley Park: Rochester, N.Y.)

Princeton hosts the Princeton Invitational (West Windsor Fields: Princeton, N.J.)

Sunday, October 16

Columbia, Cornell & Dartmouth at the Indiana State Pre-National Invitational (Lavern Gibson Championship Course: Terre Haute, Ind.)

Where are the Harvard men? Their 7th man ran at Wisco but where are the top guys?

Same thing with Brown? Their top guys didn't run at home.

heps insider wrote:

Where are the Harvard men? Their 7th man ran at Wisco but where are the top guys?

Heard rumors of some minor injuries. Maybe just playing it safe, but that's just a guess.

Not sure about Brown.

not an insider wrote:

heps insider wrote:

Where are the Harvard men? Their 7th man ran at Wisco but where are the top guys?

Heard rumors of some minor injuries. Maybe just playing it safe, but that's just a guess.

Not sure about Brown.

So why have a season? It's pathetic how little some of these teams race these days. Train, train, train - never race. Who influenced who? the Iona coach who used to be the harvard assistant or the reverse as neither team ever races?

Cornell wins Princeton Invitational, but only finishes five(?)--anyone know what's up with Micikas?--taking title from Princeton (their B squad, mostly) and an improved Yale (two of Yale's fastest on the day were in the open race). Columbia's B/C squad was farther back.

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=205316982

Considering what some people were expecting for the Cornell men this year, they seem to be slightly overachieving. Columbia men did not get the job done at UW, but are better than they showed this weekend and seem like a very solid pick for a top-two finish at Heps.

Cornell women running tomorrow.