That Kenyans and Ethiopians are genetically superior to the rest of humanity.
That Kenyans and Ethiopians are genetically superior to the rest of humanity.
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You should elevate your legs after races to "drain out the lactic acid." This sounds like something a kid would think, so I'm always surprised to see otherwise intelligent people doing it.
Bear in mind that we live in an era where a small but significant number of runners buy oxygenated water thinking it will allow them to run faster. You'd think that any adult with the wherewithal to complete a 5K without going off course would know that the lungs, not the stomach, are the organs responsible for moving O2 from the outside environment to the bloodstream.
From the abstract of the first study (CM = chocolate milk, CHO = gatorade/powerade/endurox type drink (not specified), PLA = placebo):
"Muscle glycogen resynthesis was higher in CM and in CHO than in PLA (23.58 and 30.58 vs. 7.05 μmol·g−1 wet weight, p ≤ 0.05)."
CHO > CM > PLA
"The mammalian target of rapamycin phosphorylation was greater at R45 [45 minutes after exercise] in CM than in CHO or in PLA (174.4 ± 36.3 vs. 131.3 ± 28.1 and 73.7 ± 7.8% standard, p ≤ 0.05)"
CM > CHO > PLA
"and at REnd in CM than in PLA (94.5 ± 9.9 vs. 69.1 ± 3.8%, p ≤ 0.05)"
CM > PLA - interesting that CM vs CHO comparison not mentioned.
"rpS6 phosphorylation was greater in CM than in PLA at R45 (41.0 ± 8.3 vs. 15.3 ± 2.9%, p ≤ 0.05) and REnd (16.8 ± 2.8 vs. 8.4 ± 1.9%, p ≤ 0.05).
CM > PLA - again CM vs CHO comparison not mentioned?
"FOXO3A phosphorylation was greater at R45 in CM and in CHO than in PLA (84.7 ± 6.7 and 85.4 ± 4.7 vs. 69.2 ± 5.5%, p ≤ 0.05)."
No statistical difference in CM vs CHO
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I think we're still lacking evidence that chocolate milk is a better recovery drink after high intensity, moderate duration exercise.
Furthermore, all of these studies are financed by the dairy industry. I am not implying that the researchers are biased or there's anything wrong with what they've done. I am cynical enough to believe, however, that there are many other studies they've financed that don't see the light of day because the results are not so favorable - but that's simply my own conjecture.
The OP's original inquiry was about common beliefs that have not been proven. I listed the belief that chocolate milk was a BETTER recovery drink. So far, I have yet to see that proof or even such a conclusion in any research.
There are two misconceptions in this area:
1) Running in the cold hurts your lungs
2) Nasal strips allow more air into your lungs and make you faster
I cannot believe I have not seen anything on the nasal strips. yet!
Great posts. I am sure the dairy industry sponsors lots of pro milk data and ads. But, look at the propaganda the sports drinks companies shove down consumers' throats. Water is the best drink I have discovered. After that, they all have their pros and cons. I tend to shy away from any drink I have to pay for or that comes in a metal or plastic container.
I like water cause you can pour it all over your head and body. I accidentally did that with some weird sports drink during a thon, once, when I thought I had a cup of water.
silverfox wrote:
I cannot believe I have not seen anything on the nasal strips. yet!
When was the last time you saw anyone wearing one?
Last fall at some high school cc meets. The coach had his team wear them. Thank goodness they got their butts beaten.
I have been out of the roadracing loop for a spell. Are the nasal strips a fad of the past?
Rupp-style face masks are the new hip thing at road races.
silverfox wrote:
Last fall at some high school cc meets. The coach had his team wear them. Thank goodness they got their butts beaten.
I have been out of the roadracing loop for a spell. Are the nasal strips a fad of the past?
asthma.......overdiagnosed BS most of the time
distance runners are more intelligent than the average person
Got google scholar?
Far too many studies to cite the pros/cons of each, so I'll let you guys decide.
You must be a mind reader. I almost mentioned Rupp but held back. It would be funny if an entire group of runners all showed up wearing Rupp-style masks, especially if they were super fast and won all the top spots.
You must be a mind reader. I almost mentioned Rupp but held back. It would be funny if an entire group of runners all showed up wearing Rupp-style masks, especially if they were super fast and won all the top spots.
Myth: lifting (upper and lower body) doesn't benefit distance runners.
coach wrote:
distance runners are more intelligent than the average person
Better yet, distance runners are generally nicer, better-adjusted people, etc. This canard is a favorite among newbie runners who are still in the giddy, just-lost-15-pounds, have-a-bunch-of-new-like-minded-friends phase. Stick around long enough and you'll find that the level of infidelity, divorce, lying, cheating, stealing, drinking problems and other forms of malfeasance and dysfunction is as high as it is in the population at large. And, sorry to say, but a lot of women runners, recreational and otherwise, are pretty damned unbalanced in a host of ways. Then again I seem to have a particular attraction to just those types, which is why I married a nonrunner.
Sure, I've met some super-cool people though running, but in no higher a proportion than I have outside of running.
Filo wrote:
Myth: lifting (upper and lower body) doesn't benefit distance runners.
no...that's true...
I question the whole 'sharpening' idea - doing 200s at the end of the season, which is supposed to make you fast.
The whole premise of training for distance running is that you have to do something day after day after day to get good at it.
So two 8 x 200 workouts a month before a big meet is supposed to sharpen up your speed?
Try doing 16 x 200 all year long - that might improve your speed.
silverfox wrote:
There are two misconceptions in this area:
1) Running in the cold hurts your lungs
I don't know if it hurts your lungs, but there does seem to be some link between exercising in the cold and exercise-induced asthma. Either that, or the drugs are PEDs so winter athletes pretend to have asthma.
not sure about the asthma symptoms. Never had em.
here is a misconception I almost forgot: Drinking soda allows lactic acid to build up in your muscles since it contains acid. A coach at a clinic told the other cc coaches this! Our head coach came home and told the entire team to NOT ever drink soda. I think that not drinking soda is a good idea, but not for this reason.
Anyone else heard this one?
PEDs don't work on Africans.
Jamaicans don't take PEDs because they were brought up well by their parents and they fear the wrath of their mother too much to risk getting caught.
Wind doesn't effect a point to point race at all, no matter the direction of the wind.