why is that guy a idiot.He run 2 runs a day.People for the last time Paul did run 3 runs at one point but i also ran 2 runs at 6 and 10 am .He was in the army or somthing at that point and it was the only time to run it worked well for him. Bottom people do there 2 a days at diffrent times .Some push it to later in the day .Do you know mark nenow.He ran like 3 or 4 or something later for his main run. then later at night he ran the 2nd run.
MARK NENOW.See how he worked out.
Actually among Kenyans it's typical to run at 6-6:15 am for the first run and 4:30 for the second run.
During specific times 6-6:15 for the morning, 10 am for the main session, and 4:30 for the evening session. The 3 a days are only at specific portions of the year. And the morning and evening runs are more like warmups and cooldowns.
Anything outside of those "guidelines" is more of an exception to the rule, sometimes they all don't fit into the barn.
That said I prefer my runs close together, 5:30-6 and 10 is optimal if I run my morning run as a progressive warm-up for 60 to 75 min. Can't do it vice versa though i.e. run my main session first and then something easy. Morning run breaks the rust off, if I do my morning run as my main session I find that almost always I'm too wound up to run as slow as I need to in the second run. If I give myself too much time between my 2nd run I don't feel as warmed up. I usually eat 2 times a day very big meals. But after all my runs. After my morning run I'll drink some decaf or tea sweetened with dextrose and about 50 grams of butter melted in there or a spoonful of coconut oil. This serves as a light breakfast if you will and then after my second run I eat the two big meals.
This is no news at all. The early run is a warm-up, followed by tea and/or more sleep. The 10am run is a workout. Depending on time of year, there's usually a third run in the afternoon. Probably no third run for retirees or marathoners in May.
Read More Fire, or anything ever written on training in Kenya.
And your point is? wrote:
HRE wrote:I taught high school in my best running years. The early start to the workday was always horrible for me and doing a run at an even earlier hour left me almost dysfunctional at work (it was good excuse for being dysfunctional anyway.)
So I started running just once a day at 3:30 or so and would come home and nap. Then I began feeling guilty for not doubling so I'd get out for a second run after the nap, usually around 7:00-8:00 PM.
Erm, hi. Please list all of your pr's. Thanks.
Why?
maybe it is because your story sounds like a famous runner....
ooo it so funny 1 letter off.Were you the one who made fun of people in kiddy school . O you are still in the 8th grade jed.
jamaica pond lapster wrote:
maybe it is because your story sounds like a famous runner....
One really never knows, eh?
Actually "More Fire" is very innaccurate as far as truth goes. Very romantisized accounts there.
HRE should list his pr's if he wrote something like "you should listen to me because I trained like this", no he was just saying that he trained with a short rest between his workouts. He did it because it is what worked for him. One nice thing about a thread like this is that we all can learn from each other. We can learn that perhaps we are not alone in the inabliity to train at 6:00 am and 3:30 pm. I use those times because back in the dark ages (1960's) we were told that is when you need to do your double workouts.
vladimir wrote:
HRE should list his pr's if he wrote something like "you should listen to me because I trained like this", no he was just saying that he trained with a short rest between his workouts. He did it because it is what worked for him. One nice thing about a thread like this is that we all can learn from each other. We can learn that perhaps we are not alone in the inabliity to train at 6:00 am and 3:30 pm. I use those times because back in the dark ages (1960's) we were told that is when you need to do your double workouts.
I don't think HRE's stories are normative. I think he's just describing what he liked to do (and maybe also showing it's possible, if you'd like to, too.)
Perhaps my message did not come out as intended. I was saying basicaly that HRE did what he needed to do for himself and it worked. As George Sheenan used to say "we are all an experiment in one" I know of an individual that trained at 9:00-11:00 miles without speed workouts (other than lots of races) and ran under 3:00 in the marathon. Works for her, but I do not think it would for most.
i like this point.That was my point .As long as you get the run in and it works for you.Its the real world.
For the record, sort of, during this time I took 44 seconds off my 2 mile best, 2 minutes off my 10,000, 9:55 off my ten mile and 24 minutes from my best marathon. But most races were at distances rarely raced anymore. Before this period I would typically finish in the second half of the field at most road races, a typical field had 70-100 runners. During and after this time I was always in the top 20, often in the top ten, occasionally in the top 5 and I managed a couple wins and second place finishes. It was more than I ever expected.
Of course it's possible something else would have brought even bigger improvements but without the time machine that's just speculation. And as you point out, I did not suggest that anyone else should do what I did. I simply answered a question that was posed.
well said this is a good idea.
this is true.
can I just point out that the first run is probably not two hours long? Tergat's not doubling with a 20 plus mile run at six and then another substantial run at ten. So, he probably has two and a half to three hours' break after the first run. He eats breakfast, naps, and gets up for the second run. At that point, he is likely feeling great. I sometimes get to do my second run in the evening after an afternoon nap and those are usually my best runs. In January I was often running 5 to 7 miles around 9 a.m., working a few hours and then running a tempo or equivalent, totalling 7 to 10 miles, close to 1 p.m., and the second runs were often very good. So, I think that the first run really primes your body for the second run if they are within four hours of each other and you can rest between them. There may be something physiologically significant about the Kenyan form of morning doubles. The first prepares you for the second, but you do need to rest between.
paul and wejo are close.Look at the pick at the top.
I think Tom Ratcliffe wrote an article about this for a running magazine in the 90's. I attempted something like this based on my work schedule one summer.
6pm run to work 6 hilly miles
2pm run usually about 8-9 miles total w/speed
6-7pm run 6mi+/-
I did this 3 days a week 20-24 miles a day, the other days I did a tempo, longer run, easy runs. The results...I was a freaking stallion for about a month before I crashed. I think the problem was I was in good shape before I tried this, coming off a 29:40/10k, hoping for a big breakthrough at Falmouth I started training this way. About a week before Falmouth I coulnd't get out of bed didn't eat...and needed a few weeks to recharge.