10 Most Untouchable High School T & F Records

Why could it not be?

The record is pretty strong... it was just the weakest of the events remaining. Which record should go in it's place?

[quote]Evolver wrote:

Hold the phone! High School athletes are less competitive against open athletes as the distance goes up and a larger lifetime base of endurance is required?!?!

I am SHOCKED.

[quote]perjorative wrote:

Um . . . I think it's just that America isn't very good at distance running, but is at sprinting. Consider what the Kenyan high school records for the distances would be in the world this year.

This list horrible man!

this is fun wrote:

Wow, breaking 45 in high school is just eye-popping fast.

I once saw a list of 4x400 relay splits. Some of the times were insane, like sub 45. Those times are very accurate. The most legitimate relay splits ever is, in my opinion:

Henry Thomas 44.5 anchor on national record of 3.07.4 run at the Texas Relays.

i'd like to see LV take down German's two mile record. also like to see him go after rupp's 13:37.

jeesus people, how about Mitch Kingery's 2:12 f***ing marathon in HS!

44.5 relay leg wrote:

this is fun wrote:

Wow, breaking 45 in high school is just eye-popping fast.

I once saw a list of 4x400 relay splits. Some of the times were insane, like sub 45. Those times are very accurate. The most legitimate relay splits ever is, in my opinion:

Henry Thomas 44.5 anchor on national record of 3.07.4 run at the Texas Relays.

Seems like relay legs are generally ~1 second faster (give or take a couple tenths) due to the running start. Regardless, anytime anyone gets 45.low or better is hugely impressive in my book.

...'the greatest of all time!', and just how many have won Olympic Gold Medals????

Anyone care to answer???

Curious!

To slightly paraphrase the colonel... Can you handle the truth?

As the author of the original list said in reference to the boys 400 record, when you push that hard in high school, things break down. Well the follow up to that is, when you push that hard in high school, not only do things break down, but they also wear down and burn out. At least in the middle and long distances, there's a good reason why none of these so-called untouchable record holders won an Olympic Gold Medal. It's simply called, nothing left. Or perhaps more accurately, not enough left.

So here's the real question, for those who care about the long term, and hunger for American success on the world stage:

Is our ever-increasing emphasis on pushing high school kids harder, and pushing high school records lower, undermining the potential long term development of American mid-distance and distance runners?

[quote]watchout wrote:and the 10 weakest:

9. Girls 800m (2:00.07 - Kim Gallagher, PA)

You can't be serious!

...most years that performance would make you the NCAA champ -or put you on the U.S. Olympic team.

Kim Gallagher ran a 5:37 mile at age 8. She won silver and bronze Olympic medals in the 800 and ran 1:56.91 for her personal best. She died at age 38 in 2002.

How is Granville's 1:46.45 800 weak. The fastest high schooler recently was Elijah Greer who ran 1:47.6 which was the fourth fastest ever. That's over a second slower. When a high schooler breaker 1:50 people go crazy. Granville's was totally ridiculous.

Honestly that 800 is probably one of the strongest.

But Lindgren's 8:40 indoor two mile is probably the greatest HS record ever. Ran it on a wooden 160 meter track to.

TrackCoach wrote:

[quote]watchout wrote:and the 10 weakest:

9. Girls 800m (2:00.07 - Kim Gallagher, PA)

You can't be serious!

...most years that performance would make you the NCAA champ -or put you on the U.S. Olympic team.

Most of the records I listed ahead would be among the NCAA Champion contenders as well, wouldn't they? Aside from the relays, but college relays are bound to be better than HS relays as they recruit the athletes rather than inheriting them, so I'm not sure those marks would be relevant on that topic (how they would do at NCAA's or the Olympics/Olympic Trials)...

Is 2:00.07 Womens 800m better than 20.13 for Mens 200m?

Is 2:00.07 Womens 800m better than 1:46.45 for Mens 800m?

Is 2:00.07 Womens 800m better than 50.69 for Womens 400m?

Is 2:00.07 Womens 800m better than 11.11 for Womens 100m?

Is 2:00.07 Womens 800m better than 13:37.91 for Mens 5k?*

*(2:00.07 would probably score better, but I'm not sold it's actually more impressive)

I don't think it's all too far away from those, but I don't think it's any more impressive than those.

wat you smokin' wrote:

How is Granville's 1:46.45 800 weak. The fastest high schooler recently was Elijah Greer who ran 1:47.6 which was the fourth fastest ever. That's over a second slower. When a high schooler breaker 1:50 people go crazy. Granville's was totally ridiculous.

Honestly that 800 is probably one of the strongest.

But Lindgren's 8:40 indoor two mile is probably the greatest HS record ever. Ran it on a wooden 160 meter track to.

I never said Granville's record was weak; I said it was weaker than those others I listed ahead of it (including Fernandez' 2 mile mark, if that is the post you were referring to).

Here's the thing: Almost all of the HS records are really strong. Bringing up a list of the "weakest" is bound to create disagreement simply because of that: most of the ones you list are strong!

wat you smokin' wrote:

How is Granville's 1:46.45 800 weak. The fastest high schooler recently was Elijah Greer who ran 1:47.6 which was the fourth fastest ever. That's over a second slower. When a high schooler breaker 1:50 people go crazy. Granville's was totally ridiculous.

Honestly that 800 is probably one of the strongest.

1:46, 3:51, 8:34, 13:37.

The 8:34 is weakest of the distance records, and will probably be first to fall.

msposkdkg wrote:

wat you smokin' wrote:

How is Granville's 1:46.45 800 weak. The fastest high schooler recently was Elijah Greer who ran 1:47.6 which was the fourth fastest ever. That's over a second slower. When a high schooler breaker 1:50 people go crazy. Granville's was totally ridiculous.

Honestly that 800 is probably one of the strongest.

1:46, 3:51, 8:34, 13:37.

The 8:34 is weakest of the distance records, and will probably be first to fall.

Here's an idea:

800 1129 points on IAAF table

mile (3:53 by the way) 1157 points

2 mile 1071 (much superior to Rupp's 3k)

5k 1075

for comparison:

100 1186

200 1208

400 1201

and Gallagher's 800: 1152

Hmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

watchout wrote:3. Boys 4xMile (17:06.6 - South Eugene OR)

Third weakest? I agree that it's not the strongest, but any one team having 4 HS guys that can go average 4:16.65 back to back in the same race seems rather ridiculous. The 500th fastest high school miler of the past 53 years managed 4:12.4. I don't know how many kids have run 4:16, but the odds of having 4 guys on the same team that can average 4:16 on the same day is outrageously low.

Hey watchout, you should go ahead and take this one out of the rotation because it will never be broken. they can run every year at PENN and the new balance outdoor nationals and they will never get it. this was an all time group and they didn't even put the record as low as they could.

I still think Carter's shot will not be broken this year. hopefully I will get to see Crouser take some throws at it though.

With more Kenyans/Ethiopians running in HS ranks these days I don't think any distance record is safe. That Kenyan Kid in NJ now is looking primed to break all the standing distance records.

Agreed I got to See Emily run a 9:52 in a practice. Considering that who ever said Emily record is weak is goofy because of the above mentioned practice time and you break a national record how can anyone call it weak.