"finish top 3 at USA Champs (it’s going to be a CRAZY competitive event this year with Lagat, Solinsky, Fernandez, Fam, Bumbalough, Jager, Derrick, Webb, and me)"
"finish top 3 at USA Champs (it’s going to be a CRAZY competitive event this year with Lagat, Solinsky, Fernandez, Fam, Bumbalough, Jager, Derrick, Webb, and me)"
Wish Ritz could be factored into that mix...
if webb decides to run the 5k he has lots of potential there, he already has gone 13:10, at his best the AR is in reach, in a USA championships, his speed should put him on the team.
i mean other than lagat, what strategy would a current american use to beat him? outkick him? if you think you can outkick a 1:43.8 for 800 runner, run away from him? he has run 13:10 in a low key race, so for that strategy plan on going sub 13 minute pace and even that may not work.
yes teg is right, webb is a threat at 5k.
my mistake webb ran 13:10 for 8th place at ISTAF definetely not a low key race.
however webb with a range of 1:43.8 for 800 to 27:34 for 10k is absolutely a threat to make the USA team at 5k.
douglas burke wrote:
if webb decides to run the 5k he has lots of potential there, he already has gone 13:10, at his best the AR is in reach, in a USA championships, his speed should put him on the team.
i mean other than lagat, what strategy would a current american use to beat him? outkick him? if you think you can outkick a 1:43.8 for 800 runner, run away from him? he has run 13:10 in a low key race, so for that strategy plan on going sub 13 minute pace and even that may not work.
yes teg is right, webb is a threat at 5k.
When Webb was outkicked in Osaka were any of the competitors also in the 5k? If they were and Teg beat them in his kick then I would have to say Teg's kick is just as good if not better than Webb's after 3 miles.
For Webb, I fear the choice is between needing to being able run 3:32 or under (in a high level meet) or be able to run sub-13 for 5000.
He would need to beat one of Wheating, Manzano, or Lomong...or he would need to beat everyone except Lagat and Solinsky (meaning he would need to beat Teg).
Choose your poison carefully. I actually wonder if he would have an easier chance at 800.
There are certainly going to be some FAST spectators in Deagu from the USA.
Webb could make the team in the 5k or the 10k.
Webb is a serious threat to make the US team at 800, 1500, 5000, and even 10000. This cannot be said for any other American runner - he is that good. The days of Webb getting chumped by second-tier Americans is long gone. The 1500/mile is where he belongs on the world stage - he has a lot of unfinished business there and the clock is ticking. Anything he accomplishes at other distances is just gravy.
I find it slightly more interesting that among all of the folks that he lists, he does NOT mention Rupp or Ritz.
Back four years ago 13:10 was a lot more impressive time among Americans. The impression from Webb's time remains even though the landscape has changed. Now, Webb can be another player if things fall into place, but few probably really expect him to be more than one in a large group.
douglas burke wrote:
if webb decides to run the 5k he has lots of potential there, he already has gone 13:10, at his best the AR is in reach, in a USA championships, his speed should put him on the team.
i mean other than lagat, what strategy would a current american use to beat him? outkick him? if you think you can outkick a 1:43.8 for 800 runner, run away from him? he has run 13:10 in a low key race, so for that strategy plan on going sub 13 minute pace and even that may not work.
yes teg is right, webb is a threat at 5k.
We all know Webbs #'s but
there are two webbs; the 1:43 webb and the [more common] chicken with it's head cut off , I don't know what the f*** to do Webb.
If I remember right, Webb was dropped in the last two laps, so I fear some can run away from him.
coach d wrote:
For Webb, I fear the choice is between needing to being able run 3:32 or under (in a high level meet) or be able to run sub-13 for 5000.
He would need to beat one of Wheating, Manzano, or Lomong...or he would need to beat everyone except Lagat and Solinsky (meaning he would need to beat Teg).
Choose your poison carefully. I actually wonder if he would have an easier chance at 800.
There are certainly going to be some FAST spectators in Deagu from the USA.
He may have a better chance of making the U.S. team at 800 but his chances of medaling at World's, or even making the final, are not good.
At his best, Webb is still a step above Manzano and Lomong in the 1500 (see last year's 5th Avenue Mile for proof). I don't think that is necessarily true with regard to Lagat, Solinsky, and Teg in the 5K.
His best chance to medal is still in the 1500. If he has his head in the game and he is fit he has as good a chance as anyone. This is not true for the 5K.
Of course when it comes to predicting Webb's actual performances, all bets are off.
I totally agree that Webb has nothing to fear from anyone when he is at his best. I mean, he is the AR record holder...everyone else around here is a step behind when all pistons are firing.However, I wouldn't use the 5th Avenue mile as an indicator of where they will be next year relative to each other. Leo and Lomong had both been through quite a few races earlier in the season overseas, while Webb was really just rounding into his peak for for 5th Ave. For the other guys, it was a last effort to finish off what had been VERY successful European circuit performances, and they were running on fumes. Rest assured, they will be much closer, or in front of Webb come the U.S. Champs this year.
concord wrote:
coach d wrote:For Webb, I fear the choice is between needing to being able run 3:32 or under (in a high level meet) or be able to run sub-13 for 5000.
He would need to beat one of Wheating, Manzano, or Lomong...or he would need to beat everyone except Lagat and Solinsky (meaning he would need to beat Teg).
Choose your poison carefully. I actually wonder if he would have an easier chance at 800.
There are certainly going to be some FAST spectators in Deagu from the USA.
He may have a better chance of making the U.S. team at 800 but his chances of medaling at World's, or even making the final, are not good.
At his best, Webb is still a step above Manzano and Lomong in the 1500 (see last year's 5th Avenue Mile for proof). I don't think that is necessarily true with regard to Lagat, Solinsky, and Teg in the 5K.
His best chance to medal is still in the 1500. If he has his head in the game and he is fit he has as good a chance as anyone. This is not true for the 5K.
Of course when it comes to predicting Webb's actual performances, all bets are off.
I'm not sure why anyone should doubt that Webb could stick with anyone in the US at 5k...
Let's not forget... it wasn't that long ago when Webb raced Ritz at 10k, and what happened? Webb beat Ritz! (but he didn't win, as Meb set the 10k AR in that race and a Kenyan was 10 seconds ahead of him). Granted, Webb has been injured since, but so has Ritz... and if Ritz is good enough to be seen as a top-notch contender for the 5k and 10k, why shouldn't Webb be considered as such for the 5k? That's even closer to his main event (and I would argue, within his range) than the last time they met up.
Webb has the capability, if he's 100%, to run 12:55 or faster. If that's not fast enough to put him in serious contention, then I guess we are in for a treat... 3 Americans at 12:45? Really doubt it, but hey, that would be nice...
I don't expect the winning time to be any faster than 12:53, and probably will end up being more in the 13:00-13:10 range with a good kick, as it is a championship event and not a time trial. And knowing that Webb has the best speed at the mile in the potential 5k field these days... I don't see why anyone would count Webb out of contention if he's healthy.
Meb's AR was at Stanford in 2001. Webb beat Ritz (and yes, he did win the race) at Stanford in 2006. You're off by more than a little.
cd16 wrote:
"finish top 3 at USA Champs (it’s going to be a CRAZY competitive event this year with Lagat, Solinsky, Fernandez, Fam, Bumbalough, Jager, Derrick, Webb, and me)"
It seems like such a long time since we have heard from this kid.
I'd doubt that the 5k at trials would be won faster than 13:15, maybe not 13:20s. A miler in great shape is always going to be tough to beat at 5k.
lagat 12:54
solinsky 12:55
ritz 12:56
teg 12:58?
webb/rupp sub 13
jager low 13
gf 13:10
heckuva potential field.
jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:
I'd doubt that the 5k at trials would be won faster than 13:15, maybe not 13:20s. A miler in great shape is always going to be tough to beat at 5k.
lagat 12:54
solinsky 12:55
ritz 12:56
teg 12:58?
webb/rupp sub 13
jager low 13
gf 13:10
heckuva potential field.
My main point was that Webb has a much better chance of medaling at World's in the 1500.
In 2010 there were 17 different runners that went sub 13 - and that was without Bekele. In the 1500 there were only 4 runners that went sub 3:31, and one was Wheating.
Webb's pb in the 5K is 13:10. His 1500 pb is 3:30. You can speculate all you want about him running 12:50 or some other time, but his best shot is at 1500.
bobby e. wrote:
Meb's AR was at Stanford in 2001. Webb beat Ritz (and yes, he did win the race) at Stanford in 2006. You're off by more than a little.
Mea culpa, I've watched too many Stanford races... sometimes they blend together a bit.
How about discussing the actual point of my post though?