giffypop17 wrote:
I really wish people would stop listing every guy they know of who ran under 9 and under 1:55. I mean, anybody who can run under 9 can run under 1:55.
Flagpole wrote:
This is incorrect! Scott Fry's lifetime 800 PR is 1:57, and of course he was under 8:50 in high school for 3200. I actually witnessed his 1:57 on the fateful day when he was DQ'd at the Oak Harbor Invitational in the 3200 (it's a good story...I should tell it here sometime).
1) Well, perhaps the majority CAN do it, but you said earlier that all of them could, and so I responded to that that NO, not all can or did. Scott Fry was all about fast times, and if he could have run faster than 1:57 in high school, he would have. The night he did that was perfect for running, and he had run a 4:10 1600 earlier in the day before being booted in the 3200.
2) I'd say a smaller percentage can run a sub 1:55 than the 95% you are now saying (down from your original 100%). Certainly there are dudes out there who barely got under 9:00 (slower than Fry) who were equivalently as bad at the 800 as Fry was.
3) I know you've heard my story...that's what makes mentioning it funny brother.
4) This says Fry ran 4:08.03 for 1600m - http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/records/tfrecrd.htm
giffypop17 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
This is incorrect! Scott Fry's lifetime 800 PR is 1:57, and of course he was under 8:50 in high school for 3200. I actually witnessed his 1:57 on the fateful day when he was DQ'd at the Oak Harbor Invitational in the 3200 (it's a good story...I should tell it here sometime).
1) I guess I don't know for sure, but I have a hard time believing that was the best he could have possibly done. Just the best he actually did. Ritz probably had a 1:52 in him, but we never saw it.
2) Even if that was the best he could have done, he's the exception, not the rule. I'd still wager that greater than 95% of sub9 guys could run 1:55 or better.
3) Which is my ultimate point. 1:55 is nothing special for a sub9 guy, so bringing them up in a thread about guys with fast 2 mile times and blazing 800 times is really irrelevant. (No, it doesn't help that the OP's criteria was vague and inconsistent, but even in his expanded version, he said sub 1:51, so a 1:54 guy need not be mentioned)
4) We've all heard your story, brother:)
Just out of curiosity, what was Fry's mile time?
So it looks only two guys in the sub 9:00 and sub 1:50 range (I even gave an extra second for the 800m). I just thought with ALL THESE YEARS through track and field there would be AT LEAST 5. This goes to show you how hard it is to have GREAT endurance AND GREAT speed for high schoolers.
So based on these statistics, it looks like two guys will fit in this category EVERY 20-30 years. WHAT a hard combination!!
I gonna start a college thread which will include international athletes with these ranges but I needed some suggestions: Would you find a guy with sub 1:48 AND sub 14:00 5k? The reason I ask cause I would think most college coaches would keep a sub 1:48 guy from doing the 5k.
Yea but guys give some hard BUT realistic ranges using 800m, 1500m, mile, 3000m, 5k, and 10k. Probably easier to do the mile and 10k (Sub 4:03 AND sub 29:20)
Evan Jager. I saw him run the 3200 in sub 9 and then anchor his 4x8 team to get them to sectionals in 1:50. I am not sure if he actually broke 1:50 in the 800m run but that is pretty damn close. And his 3200m hs pr was in the 8:40s.
The bio of Jim Ryun on Wikipedia states "Today, over 40 years after he set them, Ryun still holds the American junior (19 and under) records at 880 yd (1:44.9), 800 m (1:44.3), 1,500 m (3:36.1), and two miles (8:25.1)"
This is Crazy wrote:
So it looks only two guys in the sub 9:00 and sub 1:50 range (I even gave an extra second for the 800m). I just thought with ALL THESE YEARS through track and field there would be AT LEAST 5. This goes to show you how hard it is to have GREAT endurance AND GREAT speed for high schoolers.
So based on these statistics, it looks like two guys will fit in this category EVERY 20-30 years. WHAT a hard combination!!
I gonna start a college thread which will include international athletes with these ranges but I needed some suggestions: Would you find a guy with sub 1:48 AND sub 14:00 5k? The reason I ask cause I would think most college coaches would keep a sub 1:48 guy from doing the 5k.
Yea but guys give some hard BUT realistic ranges using 800m, 1500m, mile, 3000m, 5k, and 10k. Probably easier to do the mile and 10k (Sub 4:03 AND sub 29:20)
Flagpole wrote:
1) Well, perhaps the majority CAN do it, but you said earlier that all of them could, and so I responded to that that NO, not all can or did. Scott Fry was all about fast times, and if he could have run faster than 1:57 in high school, he would have. The night he did that was perfect for running, and he had run a 4:10 1600 earlier in the day before being booted in the 3200.
Ethan wrote:
The bio of Jim Ryun on Wikipedia states "Today, over 40 years after he set them, Ryun still holds the American junior (19 and under) records at 880 yd (1:44.9), 800 m (1:44.3), 1,500 m (3:36.1), and two miles (8:25.1)"
Exactly. For instance...ever heard of Solomon Haile?
mytwocents wrote:
American was never a requirement. Might as well open it up to HS runners that fall into the general pool of commonly known athletes (not like there are a ton of guys who fall into this group anyway).
mytwocents wrote:
ifififi wrote:
Seems like Ryun ran 9:02
This would have been sub-9 for 3200 then, as Ryun would have raced 2 miles.
TrackCoach wrote:
mytwocents wrote:
ifififi wrote:
Seems like Ryun ran 9:02
This would have been sub-9 for 3200 then, as Ryun would have raced 2 miles.
I think Ryun ran his 9:02 as a junior on a cinder track; until his senior year he ran everything from the 220 to the 2-mile. The 2-mile was rarely run back in the mid-60s, but w/o a doubt, Ryan in his senior year could have run at least 8:45 is a serious race.
Wouldn't Sully have had the equivalents in Grade 12?
zishka
dude from cleveland tech that went to tennessee (steeple)
dude from west virginia - jeff atkinson?
ricky pittman
Have no recollection of either John Zishka or Ricky Pittman running under 1:50 for 800.
Did Jim White of York (Ill) ever run under 9:00?
OSU great runner Girma Mecheso, Solomon Haile, Ben Hubers, Colby Low.............. keep adding if think of others
I recall that Jim White ran a sub-1:50 in the 4 x 800m. However, according to the list below, his open 800m was 1:50 and change.
Rank Time FAT Name of athlete School Name of meet Year
1 1:48.23 1.48.23 Dave Ayoub Peoria H.S. IHSA State Meet 1976
2 1:48.67 1.48.67 Steve Schellenberger Forest View International Prep Invite 1976
3 1:48.91 1.48.91 Jason Van Swol Lincoln Way Golden West Invite 1998
4 1:49.35 1.49.35 Aaron Rodgers Chicago Vocational International Prep Invite 1988
5 1:49.47 1.49.47 Dave Kaemener Thornridge Golden West Invite 1968
1:49.47 1.49.47 Chris Heroux Maine North IHSA State Final 1977
7 1:49.65 1.49.65 Jim Spivey Fenton IHSA State Final 1978
8 1:49.76 1.49.76 Larry Kelly Maine East IHSA State Final 1964
9 1:49.8h 1.49.89 Sherman Arnold Chicago Fenger T.A.C. Nationals 1983
10 1:49.96 1.49.96 Tom Sullivan Evanston St. George Golden West Invite 1961
11 1:49.9h 1.49.99 Marlon Jones Limestone Metamoral State Sectional 1990
12 1:50.16 1.50.16 Willie Thomas Chicago Englewood IHSA State Final 1969
13 1:50.33 1.50.33 Rich Kolasa Oak Forest Golden West Invite 1986
14 1:50.36 1.50.36 Charlie White Thorton IHSA State Final 1973
15 1:50.49 1.50.49 Rob Carter Clinton Golden West Invite 1988
16 1:50.73 1.50.73 Trammell Smith Willowbrook IHSA State Final 2002
17 1:50.76 1.50.76 Craig Grant Proviso West District meet 1965
18 1:50.85 1.50.85 Tim Hobbs Elmhurst York Golden West Invite 2001
19 1:50.86 1.50.86 Dennis Johnson Chicago Parker IHSA State Final 1977
20 1:50.8h 1.50.89 Jim White Elmhurst York Dual vs. Hoffman Estates 1985
Hatz also went sub 15:00 in the 5k last year, I dont know the time exactly but im sure you could find it on Armory
An interesting article about some seriously fast teams:
http://www.rrstar.com/sports/x317106382
