American Record for 3000 this weekend a possibility???

Titus Mbishei! yes, lay it down big T! haha, although he is not so strong on the track as he is in xc

That all makes a lot of sense... regardless of what one thinks of Bernard. I still don't know what to make of his EPO test, but what you said as far as the IAAF WANTING to nab an East African is absolutely true.

Coach D wrote:Lagat ran his 3:26 at age 26. The longer distance PRs are not close to equivalent.

So you are saying that it's perfectly believable that Lagat is running 7:32 since he is a 35 year old former 3:26 guy.

Looking for a comparison I dug up the stats of John Kibowen, who at his peak ran 3:30.18. Kibowen's 3000 record is:

PR 7:29.09, age 24 and also the year of his 1500 PR,

and his next best times:

7:31.58 age 27

7:32.01 age 34.

So based on that it does seem reasonable for Lagat, a former 3:26 guy to also be running 7:32 at age 35.

Christ compels you wrote:

Haha, Ireland has a faster NR than America. That's pretty pathetic when you consider how much bigger the US is than Ireland.

It only takes 1 person. Who knows where the most talented person will be born.

I bet the US's depth chart is deep, which it should be. It's just like high schools. I know a bunch of tiny no name high schools that have incredible school record because 1 freak came out of there, but their all time lists are nothing after that one guy.

haha1231 wrote:

ffhg wrote:

You're problem is that you only think Kennedy was capable of his PR for 1500/mile.

your dumb

"you´re"

speling and gramar wrote:

haha1231 wrote:

your dumb

"you´re"

OMFG

some runner husband wrote:

That all makes a lot of sense... regardless of what one thinks of Bernard. I still don't know what to make of his EPO test, but what you said as far as the IAAF WANTING to nab an East African is absolutely true.

Yeah right, they won't even keep men out of women's races when it comes to Africans.

7.5 = AR wrote:

MarathonMind wrote:

Amazingly, Geb's 3:31.76 was set indoors, and he's second all time on the indoor list after ElG.

And yes, I think Lagat is not clean.

Sometimes I forget why Geb is still considered the Great one over Bekele, and then I see something like above and remember what he's done in the marathon. Amazing range, crazy.

Arguably, given Geb's size and his running style, a good indoor track might be as good as an outdoor flat oval for a 3000. Banked turns, taken at 15mph are not particularly hard compared to a flat 400m track, especially without wind indoors.

If I were Lagat, I wouldn't want a marathoner having a better PB than me at 3000, and especially at 1500 indoors or out!

I really wish Lagat had completely moved up to the 5k a few years ago. He could have still been in 3:30 shape and efinitely would have run sub 12:50

MarathonMind wrote:

Coach D wrote:Lagat ran his 3:26 at age 26. The longer distance PRs are not close to equivalent.

So you are saying that it's perfectly believable that Lagat is running 7:32 since he is a 35 year old former 3:26 guy.

Looking for a comparison I dug up the stats of John Kibowen, who at his peak ran 3:30.18. Kibowen's 3000 record is:

PR 7:29.09, age 24 and also the year of his 1500 PR,

and his next best times:

7:31.58 age 27

7:32.01 age 34.

So based on that it does seem reasonable for Lagat, a former 3:26 guy to also be running 7:32 at age 35.

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/letter=k/country=ken/athcode=131000/index.html

By IAAF scoring tables, his 3:26 is roughly equivalent to 7:20. So, 7:32-34 is somewhat slower than his theoretical life best. He has upped his mileage somewhat and is running more longer intervals to try to win the 5000 gold, but he hasn't actually been in sub-3:30 territory for some years.

He is running slower than 10 years ago, just not a lot.

I wonder how Farah will do? He won European 10k and 5k and I guess that's a big deal but I don't think he's as good as Teg, Rupp, or Solinsky. I know he beat Teg and Solinsky at Worlds last year but I think in a fast, rabbited effort I'd put any of those three Americans over him.

As for Mottram, I wonder if he'll just hang back and run this race conservatively or get right up near the rabbits at the gun like old times. Even if he kind of died near the end, I think it'd be awesome to see Mottram get up in it.

jadjf;a wrote:

I wonder how Farah will do? He won European 10k and 5k and I guess that's a big deal but I don't think he's as good as Teg, Rupp, or Solinsky. I know he beat Teg and Solinsky at Worlds last year but I think in a fast, rabbited effort I'd put any of those three Americans over him.

As for Mottram, I wonder if he'll just hang back and run this race conservatively or get right up near the rabbits at the gun like old times. Even if he kind of died near the end, I think it'd be awesome to see Mottram get up in it.

I'd put Farah right in their with the 3 americans you mentioned for 5000 at this point, but I think we need to see him in a few more fast 5000s to better understand his limit.

I tend to think as of now, if everyone had their best days all three americans would be ahead of him, all 4 under 13:00. That said, he has the potential to beat any or all if they are not having an A+ day and he is.

I'm also interested to see what Mottram does here. Hard to imagine him just loping along and not being a factor, but even harder to imagine him in the 7:30ish shape that will be required to win tomorrow.

Ok but here's the thing, kennedy (all due respect) never ran as fast as lagat has this year, and I have a hard time believing he could have run as fast as lagat this year for 1500.

Could he go faster than 3:38? U bet. Probably 3:33high-3:35, but he wouldn't have been holding off lagat even this season.

So basically, lagat is faster now at 1500 and 5000 than BK ever was, so not only was bobs 3000 very solid, bernards best is soft and he should get th AR. But he don't have too much time left.

This will not be on universal and that sucks.

speling and gramar wrote:

haha1231 wrote:

your dumb

"you´re"

That was the point, I used the word he should have.

flashback worlds wrote:

Wheres our buddy Sergio Sanchez this outdoor season. Dude was 2nd at indoor worlds over Choge and Bekele Jr.

Same place as our buddies Ritz and Teg.

enerbit wrote:

flashback worlds wrote:

Wheres our buddy Sergio Sanchez this outdoor season. Dude was 2nd at indoor worlds over Choge and Bekele Jr.

Same place as our buddies Ritz and Teg.

OTC Portland? Jager is there too!

That guy should be ripping it up this outdoor season, frigger came out of nowhere to bust little Bekeles but indoors.

trialswatcher wrote:

This will not be on universal and that sucks.

has anyone posted a link to this? anyway to see it? what time are the 800 and 3000?

mathemetition wrote:

trialswatcher wrote:

This will not be on universal and that sucks.

has anyone posted a link to this? anyway to see it? what time are the 800 and 3000?

believe its 5:10 pm in london now, mens 3000 is 6:10, so in an hour. they'd be warming up now.

mens 800 is at 7:59, so just under 3 hours from now.

no idea on live video feed, surprised nobody has posted one yet.