American Record for 3000 this weekend a possibility???

I actually don't think it's quite likely.

Haha, Ireland has a faster NR than America. That's pretty pathetic when you consider how much bigger the US is than Ireland.

Wheres our buddy Sergio Sanchez this outdoor season. Dude was 2nd at indoor worlds over Choge and Bekele Jr.

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Christ compels you wrote:

Haha, Ireland has a faster NR than America. That's pretty pathetic when you consider how much bigger the US is than Ireland.

That is strange, but I guess when you consider they have no MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL etc. it makes a little more sense. Still lame nonetheless since all they do for training is drink guinees, eat potatoes and paint with the color green.

FYI, Lagat has already run a 7:32 this season and if he is in shape like indoor worlds, he's got this. My darkhorse pick would be galen rupp.

Christ compels you wrote:

Haha, Ireland has a faster NR than America. That's pretty pathetic when you consider how much bigger the US is than Ireland.

That is strange, but I guess when you consider they have no MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL etc. it makes a little more sense. Still lame nonetheless since all they do for training is drink guinees, eat potatoes and paint with the color green.

FYI, Lagat has already run a 7:32 this season and if he is in shape like indoor worlds, he's got this. My darkhorse pick would be galen rupp.

If I remember right, the last time mottram, lagat and rupp were all in a race together it was millrose and mottram and lagat stomped rupp. Payback time?

You're problem is that you only think Kennedy was capable of his PR for 1500/mile. The dude did a workout where he ran 3:57, 2:56, 1:55, and 55 for 1600/1200/800/400. I'm pretty sure BK, the day he ran 7:30, could have run 3:51-2 for the mile and 3:33-34 for 1500...

ffhg wrote:

You're problem is that you only think Kennedy was capable of his PR for 1500/mile.

your dumb

YES!!!!!!!!!!! BUSTER BACK IN MEANINGFUL ACTION!!!!!!!!!

I find it incredible that Lagat is running these 3000 PRs at age 35. I mean I just looked at the top guys-

Komen, age 20

El G, 25

Geb, 25

Morceli, 24

Bekele, 25.

It just doesn't look right for Lagat to be able to do this- he also ran a slight PR last year at 34.

ffhg wrote:

You're problem is that you only think Kennedy was capable of his PR for 1500/mile. The dude did a workout where he ran 3:57, 2:56, 1:55, and 55 for 1600/1200/800/400. I'm pretty sure BK, the day he ran 7:30, could have run 3:51-2 for the mile and 3:33-34 for 1500...

Did I say that was all he was capable of? I said it was his fastest mark for the event. That said, it's over 12 seconds behind Lagats best for 1500. Kennedy may well have been able to run 3:32 or 3:33 for the event if he trained specifically for it, Lagat can run those times at 35 while training for 5000.

So while Kennedy might have rarely run 1500's Lagat has rarely run 5000s and until the year has not trained for 5000.

Yet as a prior to 2010 as a 1500 guy he run 12:59, 12:59 and 13:03.

If you look at Kennedys best 5000s as a 5000 specialist they were 12:58, 12:58 and 13:02.

Kennedy as a 5k man was able to run 1 second faster over 5K than Bernard as a 1500 man.

Bernard as a 1500 man was able to run 12 seconds faster over 1500 than Kennedy as a 5K man.

Now Bernard empahises the 5K and punches 12:54 on his first try.

To me this story says that Kennedy came up with a much better PR (relative to ability) than Lagat has thus far, but Kennedy also raced them quite often and in some VERY fast races.

Is there ever any way to find out how fast the pace setters are going to go? If they go out in 5 minutes or under, the american record will surely fall.

ffhg wrote:

You're problem is that you only think Kennedy was capable of his PR for 1500/mile. The dude did a workout where he ran 3:57, 2:56, 1:55, and 55 for 1600/1200/800/400. I'm pretty sure BK, the day he ran 7:30, could have run 3:51-2 for the mile and 3:33-34 for 1500...

I believe the workout you are referring to was on the fastest track in the U.S. (Palo Alto) and was done with some of the fastest runners in history to help (Ngeny, Komen and Co.?)

Keep in mind that Lagat did a workout this summer in Arizona that started with at 4:58 2000 and he only had Rupp to help with part of it, not a pack of some of fastest runners in history. I believe he came thru in 3:59 and ran a :59. Not a shabby way to start a workout on a slow ass track in the heat.

The Waterboy wrote:

Is there ever any way to find out how fast the pace setters are going to go? If they go out in 5 minutes or under, the american record will surely fall.

One thing that Renato Canova mentioned is that the quality of rabbits, especially as the distances get longer, is not nearly as good as it was 10+ years ago because the pay is so much lower. Something like 10% of what they used to pay.

Even if they have a target for 5:00 it could be a yoyo 5:02 which drops off as soon as the rabbits do.

Perhaps Wheating can double back and "jog" thru 5:00 ;-)

yyy wrote:

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wait, was he busted or u just saying what many were thinkin?

Mottram's the man. He's not going to win but he's still the man...

Look at this race & consider that he has done 3:32 and 12:54 this summer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c96H4Nf9dzI&feature=related

He would almost need an off day not to do it.

Never saw this prelim before. Good aggressiveness by Rupp in a tough heat to get into the final. 5th in your heat and 5th in the final, not shabby. Imagine he'll have an easier go outdoors without the traffic. He has a long stride for his height. Easy to trip up as we just found out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck57MBrGEHI

MarathonMind wrote:

I find it incredible that Lagat is running these 3000 PRs at age 35. I mean I just looked at the top guys-

Komen, age 20

El G, 25

Geb, 25

Morceli, 24

Bekele, 25.

It just doesn't look right for Lagat to be able to do this- he also ran a slight PR last year at 34.

While i 100% believe Lagat is a cheater and a liar....it's not hard to believe he's running prs in the events he's doing so

Lagat never focused on the 3k or 5k until recently. He's nowhere near his old self at 1500, so he's gotten slower.

The guys you mention made serious attempts at the 3k closer to their peak, and even stated they wanted to break the record. (or did break the record)