ObamaCare will drive healthcare costs through the stratosphere

here by intelogent design wrote:

100 000 of new federal paper pushers, 16 000 of them Health Care compliance agents at the IRS.

So you're saying that the new HC law will create jobs. Great!

This article was published back in September and remains - by far - the smartest thing I've read on the health care debate. It's a long read, but very much worth it for those interested in the debate. And now it sounds like some of the arguments made are starting to be picked up in the political world...interesting.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/09/how-american-health-care-killed-my-father/7617/

Economic Reality wrote:

WhitePony wrote:

He is also running for Senate as a Republican. Wonder if these two things are related?

You think you prove the falsehood of his argument by identifying him as a Republican? What an idiot.

You think it is not pertinent?

Fix It wrote:

I hope he closes out the useless occupation of Palestine

Yeah, that and cashless microchip implanted population, and he'll have fulfilled all the prophecies of the Antichrist:

let me get this straight:

you think that "Obamacare" exists? The bill barely changes the health care system. All it really does is to stop some insurance corporation practices, allowing tens of millions to become insured, to provide subsidies for e.g. a family of four making less than 88k/year to buy insurance, and providing for more negotiating power for individuals to buy insurance. By expanding the pool of insured, it will cut costs per person.

UncleB wrote:

You think it is not pertinent?

It's no more relevant than Obama's party affiliation. In all of my criticisms of ObamaCare, I've never had to substitute the word "Democrat" for actual reasons why it sucks. Neither has Peter Schiff.

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

to anyone who thinks this healthcare reform will actually benefit america, you are more retarded than i thought. if you actually read some of the summaries on the bill, you'd realize the damage that will ensue due to the irs's new powers. the government gets to decide whether or not your healthcare plan is up to their minimum standard. if your plan doesn't have enough coverage, the irs will slap a fine in your face AND if you don't even have coverage, you will still face a fine. in layman terms, there is a tax/fine on simply living. no, you can't compare this to car insurance. case in point, you don't have to buy car insurance if you don't own a car. you don't have to pay property tax if you don't own any property. the government decides what kind of health plan you get and how much coverage you are forced to pay. the problem with all this is that it DOES NOT account for illegal aliens. BY LAW, all hospital doctors are required to provide healthcare, even if the patient is not a legal citizen.

on another note, does anyone also realize that 1/4 to 1/3 of all americans are obese? that's more than the amount of uninsured people, and if you pay attention to a lot of the people obama interviewed, they were obese to morbidly obese. here are a few examples of wasted health coverage money: fat people are more prone to breast cancer (excessive fatty tissue buildup increases estrogen production = higher risk of breast tissue mutation). ALSO, higher fat tissue deposits equates to lung stress, muscle strain, possible heart failure due to excess fat deposits and one of the most extensively spreading side effect: diabetes. don't even get me started on smoking...heart disease, lung disease or cancer, esophogeal cancer and mouth cancer if you count chewing tobacco.

you see people? the fact that our population is so sickeningly disgusting is causing health costs to go up. now if you add the stupid people that ask for extra special care...i heard of a lady asking for anesthesia so she could have blood drawn. HONESTLY??? how does obama heal the biggest problem with the american public: stupidity. people no longer trust their doctors due to the use of things like webmd.com and another of websites people use to self diagnose and then demand doctors to save their 100yr old great great grandparents who are dying of cancer...

I just love the Republicans (the sky is falling Republicans)

They sat by in the past 8 years as we fought a war that we should have never started; we let the banks and wall street be out of control and nearly bankrupt our country. Now, they scream that Obama and his health care agenda is going to break us! Does anyone realize that we already pay dearly (in emergency room care) for people that uninsured? Reform needed to happen and it will; it could have been easier if the Republicans were not afraid of the insurance industry and would have chosen to participate. If you are ignorant enough to believe this crap that they are throwing out there, you are hopeless!!!!!

that sounds like the creation of new jobs... a lot better than anything GW and the reagan area morons did for the economy

here by intelogent design wrote:

To make this thing work, it will take massive cash outlays amounting to multiples of the budget estimates, 100 000 of new federal paper pushers, 16 000 of them Health Care compliance agents at the IRS.

bump

Fix It wrote:

Obama had to fix Bush's disasterous economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, Wall St, Gitmo, AIG, GM, and God Bless him for stopping that Mexico Wall project. Damn that's a ton of accomplishments. Obama just started to fix Health Ins. More is coming. Also now he has to reform Wall St, fix the Medical Industry, HMOs, Medical Billing, Undocumented. I hope he closes out the useless occupation of Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq, and brings all of our troops, CIA agents, and civilian occupiers home where they're needed. Also Obama should end all welfare to Israel, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. They have enough oil money in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq, so let them be the rulers of the Middle East. Why should we interfere. Who the hell cares who takes over.

Oh, really?