"does that mean all on the list are age-cheats or all but komen ???"
Very probably all of the runners with incredible times. No registry records exist in East Africa (as far as I know), so all their birth data are fabricated and unreliable.
"7'58 was run this year - that's fast"
But not much faster than 8:00. Can we come to an agreement?
"kennster & tadesse ran 26'46 & 26'50 in a tactical 10k in berlin"
The dramatic improvement of both these guys after several years of stagnation leaves virtually no doubt that they belong to the same category of stagnating last-ditchers like Tergat or Bermasai.
"The testing at this time was pretty unreliable anyway."
But not in the sense that would give false results. To the contrary, they give too many negative results. Yegorova was freed in 2001, but was definitively caught 7 years later.
"Does EPO only work on Africans? Why have only five non-Africans beaten David Moorcroft's 5k time from 1982? Why is the 27:08 from Arturo Barrios in 1989 still the fastest non-African 10k time? If EPO testing is so unreliable you would think that everyone would be doing it and that everyone's times would be increasing."
And non-Africans don't use EPO? They use it. But in other sports. They think that EPO-loaded African runners are superhumans, with which they can't compete. I discussed it in detail in the previous thread that was deleted. White runners largely left track in mid 80's and let it to Africans. The white runners we see now are mostly second-class competitors.
"African's born at altitude have a genetic advantage anyway. "
I must correct you here. They obviously don't have. Any of their strengths in long-distance running don't seem to be connected with superhuman values of VO2 max. They have very high VO2 max. values, indeed (roughly 80 ml/kg.min, with some runners achieving 85 ml/kg.min), but when their small body size is taken into account, the development of their VO2 max. is actually lower than in Europeans.
It can be speculated that the VO2 max. in East African highlanders is higher than in East African lowlanders, because most African lowland groups have lower hemoglobine concentration than Europeans. But so far, no detailed studies exist.
"Because the europeans have been doping since at least the 70s. The doping might be better now, but the talent pool is also more shallow. "
Exactly what I think. Actually, the partial reemergence of white times in the late 90's may be caused by the fact that the B-category white runners left on track started to take EPO, too.
"Your points at the beginning raised some possible cases but now you are just tarnishing any athlete that has come from the East African area. I have a lot of experience in the Kenyan/Ethiopian area and I am aware of certain suspicious groups and agents. For the record, you have not mentioned or come close to name ANY of these. It only proves to me that you are bluffing and working on guess work."
I have never said that all East Africans are doped. Where did you read it in my posts? I only say that their elite is doped to the heels. Do you think that even clean Africans are not tempted to take drugs, when they see that they can't compete with their drug-loaded countrymen? One of the fastest improving guys in the history of the 5000 m, our friend Longosiwa, is also a man, who lets his passport to be falsified in order to cheat at the World's Junior Championship. Certainly only some coincidence! He is just a poor pastoral man, who wouldn't dare to touch aspirine.
"I can only laugh at your vision of an athlete sitting in tin hut in Kaptagat with the bag of drugs under the bed!"
You obviously don't have any idea about the purpose of EPO doping. It is not a training aid, hence it is useless during the training season. The athletes are injected shortly before the start of the season in the spring and subsequently can benefit from the increased level of hematocrit for 3-4 months (the typical lifetime of a blood cell). Wasn't Chepchumba caught in March? Logically, they must be "re-loaded" in the mid-summer. I think that an analysis of the calendar data, when EPO-cheaters were caught, would be worthy of effort.