Wickham was very muddy, especially in the wood chip section. A constantly up and down hilly course under the best conditions, ie slow. Muddy from rain and dug up from the Conn State meet the day before.
Wickham was very muddy, especially in the wood chip section. A constantly up and down hilly course under the best conditions, ie slow. Muddy from rain and dug up from the Conn State meet the day before.
Williams looked good. Amherst had there 5th man pretty far back. Thankfully for them Yochum came back. Tufts only 2 points back of Amherst is pretty impressive.
Yochum is back and looks to be in killer shape. If he gets out better at regionals he has a shot. Koima has really come on. Faller looks solid, smart race and the top American (never thought we'd be making that qualification in the NESCAC), while Murner ran with balls but appeared to pay for it. Those guys should all be top 10 at regionals and contend for AA in three weeks.
Regionals should be really exciting. Midd's girls and Williams' men look really solid. Will anyone take them down?
Honestly, I doubt anyone can take down the Midd women. Just look at the depth they have this year: it's pretty impressive!
middfan wrote:
Honestly, I doubt anyone can take down the Midd women. Just look at the depth they have this year: it's pretty impressive!
MIT is strong and Williams has been missing Shea. Anything can happen.
OK so after this weekend what are the regional picks? NESCAC more or less gives people a good idea, throw in a Brandeis squad that got beat up at UAA, throw in Keene and USM-how difficult/slow was that course?
1. Williams
2. Amherst
3. Midd
4. USM
5. Brandeis
Norton, Kosgey, Yochum, Koima, Schmidt, Faller, Murner
Someone on dyestat stated that the course at Keene was run 2-3 minutes slow, which is clearly a large exaggeration as that would have put many runners under 24 but I wouldn't be surprised if the course ran at least a minute slow. Rumor has it there was standing water in a few spots. How many berths is New England going to get for nationals? At least 4. Will we be able to squeeze in a 5th spot?
Why Midd over Tufts?
Keene wrote:
Someone on dyestat stated that the course at Keene was run 2-3 minutes slow, which is clearly a large exaggeration as that would have put many runners under 24 but I wouldn't be surprised if the course ran at least a minute slow. Rumor has it there was standing water in a few spots. How many berths is New England going to get for nationals? At least 4. Will we be able to squeeze in a 5th spot?
The course was about a minute tops slow. There was one are with standing water, another part that was just very muddy and sticky to get through. They removed the section of about 10-15 meters of crushed gravel, because that was flooded as well. The course obviously wasn't 2-3 minutes slow. But it was very slow.
Ranking Guru wrote:
MIT is strong and Williams has been missing Shea. Anything can happen.
Why do you say Williams has been missing Shea? She's not gone... she's just running really poorly. At Little 3 she was their #13 runner (+ or - one... I counted pretty quickly so I may be off) so that's why she didn't run at NESCACs. She's been steadily getting worse all season, so I personally don't think she's going to pose any kind of threat.
maxc wrote:
Ranking Guru wrote:MIT is strong and Williams has been missing Shea. Anything can happen.
Why do you say Williams has been missing Shea? She's not gone... she's just running really poorly. At Little 3 she was their #13 runner (+ or - one... I counted pretty quickly so I may be off) so that's why she didn't run at NESCACs. She's been steadily getting worse all season, so I personally don't think she's going to pose any kind of threat.
we shall see... Still didn't answer how you overlook MIT. They are a very strong team.
Williams for the Men.
Midd for the women, with Williams and MIT very close.
Midd over Tufts b/c Tufts lacks experience and I'd expect a 70 pt score somewhere in their 5 that doesn't happen for Midd.
DBAN wrote:
Midd over Tufts b/c Tufts lacks experience and I'd expect a 70 pt score somewhere in their 5 that doesn't happen for Midd.
That doesn't make a lot of sense since Tufts #5 beat Midd's #5, and Tufts #5 was Welch who is usually their #2.
Anybody know what the deal with Eubank of Amherst is? A good race from him would have helped Amherst a great deal.
I dont think Eubank started on Sunday. Even with him in there, it's going to be too hard for anyone to challenge the Kenyan dominance that is Williams. The playing field isn't very level right now.
the influx of dominant kenyans into the nescac was certainly not foreseen. faller for top american is pretty funny.
williams put 7 before anyone else's 5th man, so they would have won anyway if you take out kosgey / koima.
StopPickles wrote:
Keene wrote:Someone on dyestat stated that the course at Keene was run 2-3 minutes slow, which is clearly a large exaggeration as that would have put many runners under 24 but I wouldn't be surprised if the course ran at least a minute slow. Rumor has it there was standing water in a few spots. How many berths is New England going to get for nationals? At least 4. Will we be able to squeeze in a 5th spot?
The course was about a minute tops slow. There was one are with standing water, another part that was just very muddy and sticky to get through. They removed the section of about 10-15 meters of crushed gravel, because that was flooded as well. The course obviously wasn't 2-3 minutes slow. But it was very slow.
That course runs slow even when its dry
When will people stop complaining about Williams and their Kenyans? Earlier this year I heard a coach complain to a Williams runner that the Kenyans were "not fair". I'm sick of it. This playing field is level. Although I do not know either of them personally, I am sure that Edgar and Josephat are normal Williams students trying to get a great education just like their American teammates.