Sega Genesis Chalmers wrote:
How terrible that this soon after something like WW2 we have folks forgetting that individual and religious rights are so vital to a functioning society.
If this was a serious post, I beg the poster to open a history book.
I agree. The hospital also has the right to protect their patients in a manner they feel is proper. He/she can seek alternative employment if he does not like their demands
Pole Flaggot wrote:
Man, some of you guys are going to die a horrible death if you don't heed some of this logic.
Obviously a vaccine will be much more concentrated than a glass of water.
And who drinks tap anyways? A poor person who needs their 'shot'. Get what I'm sayin?
So go get your shot. Bang.
I drink tap water. The bottled stuff sits in the back of the delivery truck, cooking in the 90 plus degree temps. Your overpriced girly water is soaking up all the nasty chemicals from the plastic bottle while it's being driven around all day.
And no flu shot for me!
What exactly are you trying to accomplish from this post? Are you trying to convince people that flu shots are harmless or are you trying to school some mindless liberals? If you really are pursuing a hematology specialty I hope, for yours and the collective we sake that you open your mind a little wider than your mouth if you ever move past the lurking stage.You are trying to discredit Dr. Mercola by linking a “Viewpoint” piece in a BusinessWeek article? What say we make a bet that many, many more doctors are making much, much more than Mercola by pushing unnecessary drugs rather than coconut oil. Who do you think would win in that discrediting race? Your link to Pharmacology and genetics of autism: implications for diagnosis and treatment is very telling as well. Let’s see, I wondered who funded pharmacological treatment options of autisms? I can just see Big Pharma’s board rooms right now, “Hmmmmm, wouldn’t it be convenient if autism was genetic and could be treated with drugs – it’s a win, win – we cause the disorder and then we can treat it – great, someone call our lab geeks and get them right on it. Ok who’s ready for a round of golf?”The reality is that genetic autism is not always inherited. There is new research out there that is finding new, "spontaneous" mutations in genes that are associated with many cases of autism. Who funded this research? I have no idea but I sure wouldn’t jump on your ridiculous conclusion from a pharmacological study that autism is 90% hereditary.Nobody knows if big pharma is poisoning us or not. You don’t know, I don’t know but I do know that we need a lot more oversight over our drug companies than what currently exists. If you deny that you are a complete idiot. Developing a blind faith in big pharma without accountability is playing Russian roulette with your health - especially with a rushed to market swine flu vaccine.
Lurking Hematologist wrote:
Most shouldn't be considered...
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/may2006/sb20060523_063274.htmAgain, you should look at the data for yourself:
"Autism has the highest estimated heritability (>90%) among behaviorally defined neuropsychiatric disorders."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19727434That website's Dr. Mercola has been called a "snake oil salesmen". He's a marketing genius that's making millions along with McCarthy by scaring people.
Instead of blaming his customers by saying "it's your DNA that's got your child screwed up," he's saying "it's the big pharm. companies."
He's a smart guy.
I love how quack medicine adherents question the science and evidence behind proven treatments but then offer as an alternative things that have absolutely no peer-reviewed evidence whatever and plenty of evidence of their ineffectiveness.
If you cared to look for the research it is there. Know what PubMed is? if you don't, it shows how youa re unprepared to even comment.
Lew Rockwell??
Similar to how the Right accuses everyone on the left of having an "agenda", thus tainting anything they say. Everyone has an agenda, the question is, was that agenda engendered by an honest look at the facts or did it pre-exist an engagement with the facts and indeed dictate a need to avoid the facts?
All you very very bad nasty people are saying terrible things. You should look at all the data that me and my cohurts, i mean the pretigious pharmaceutical corporations have created! Whoops i mean the results of their scientific studies.
Here is a study about the gross invasive high estimated guesstimatic heritability (>199%) among behaviorally orientated definitive neuropsychiatric disordered board member participants! Whoops i mean from the general public. This is very scientific! If you don't believe me, well ask me, and i will tell you! And I am completely unbiased. I don't get paid for spewing out this crap, even though I am a hemacrackpotologist!
Okay here is the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.xyz.gov/pubmed/bunchofcrapwemadeupbullshit/19727894321quack
That nasty man Dr. Mercola has been called a "snake oil salesmen", because heard my good buddies in the board room say that about him this morning! So I am repeating it for your benefit. He's a marketing genius that's making millions along with McCarthy by scaring people. (We ourselves, never do this). Yeah he scares them by helping them to get healthy by staying away from our crap, and that hurts our profits! See what a bad person he is! Hey he shows people how to get well instead of making up some crock like "it's your dna stupid" the way that we do! Yeah he's a very smart fellow!
If only we could shut him up and shut up all the other smart people then we would be able to vaccinate everyone!
-- The HemaCrackPotTologist
Ok Brian, you seem like a thoughtful guy so all agendas and name calling aside, I’ve got a bunch of questions for you. They are off the top of my head so if you’ve got better information please correct me if I’m wrong but maybe they’ll shed some light on why people are skeptical of peer reviewed evidence as it pertains to big pharma and moving in greater numbers to this “quack medicine” of which you speak.Why do kids today need 36 vaccinations before the age of 2 when 6 before the age of 7 was the requirement in the pre ADHD/Autism days?What the hell is wrong with our diabetes, ADHD, Autism, etc., etc., rates amongst our kids?Why does it seem that pharmaceuticals companies once just made drugs, now they are funding the research of new drug efficacy, endowing universities, monopolizing healthcare, lobbying for State mandated vaccinations? Why are doctors and research scientists sitting on pharmaceutical boards?Why is it that Americans over the age of 65 take, on average, 12 pills a day? (the funny part about this study was that the proposed solution was to get the drug companies to developed a "super pill" so that they could continue their habit without having to keep track of all their different prescriptions.)These questions are just the tip of the iceberg. So while it is possible to poo poo some of the questions as misguided hysteria the preponderance of our new reality is that something stinks in the State of America. From where I stand it is; our food supply, our environment and our medicine. I blame our shitty health on our diet, I blame our cancers on our environment and I blame our disorders on our medicine. I’ve only got my intuition and information gathered from numerous "alternative" (I say alternative because God forbid that the drug companies would fund a mainstream study that would implicate their own drugs) readings to support my feelings but it is not my place to prove to the drug companies that they are poisoning us. Because of abysmal health it is our government who dropped the ball. So you see, it is not that we’re genetically predisposed to embrace “quack medicine” it’s that we’ve got so many unanswered questions and, due to conflicts of interest, we don’t trust the science anymore. To me it would take a dramatic leap of faith to believe that the system is not broke and the science as it relates to any new drug is valid.Until there is a completely objective body that can regulate the drug industry then I’m more willing to trust my health to time tested homeopathic remedies that are supported by unimpugned science and physiological evidence.Without regulation of the pharmaceutical industry we’ll have a bigger melt down than what was just witnessed by an unregulated investment banking collapse.Convince me and others like me that there is holistic evidence that all these drugs are safe, work and are supported by unadulterated science and I’ll be the next in line to get my flu shot – well, ok, you got me, there is probably nothing that would convince me to get a flu shot, but maybe I’d be willing to try…ok, well, maybe I am a "quack" because I’m pretty sure that there is not a prescription drug out there that I would consider taking.
Brian wrote:
I love how quack medicine adherents question the science and evidence behind proven treatments but then offer as an alternative things that have absolutely no peer-reviewed evidence whatever and plenty of evidence of their ineffectiveness.
If you cared to look for the research it is there. Know what PubMed is? if you don't, it shows how youa re unprepared to even comment.
Lew Rockwell??
Similar to how the Right accuses everyone on the left of having an "agenda", thus tainting anything they say. Everyone has an agenda, the question is, was that agenda engendered by an honest look at the facts or did it pre-exist an engagement with the facts and indeed dictate a need to avoid the facts?
This is like arguing with a creationist. No evidence counts as evidence so why bother. All these "objections" have been treated ad nauseum.
"due to conflicts of interest, we don’t trust the science anymore."
Utterly blind to the same conflicts of interest in the "alternative medicine" camp. But in science, you have more science. Science is a procedure that attempts to guard form self-delusion, isn't attached to its results, and invited others to "prove me wrong". In science, the bias is driven by the evidence, not the other way around.
" I’m more willing to trust my health to time tested homeopathic remedies"
Time-tested, but consistently failing placebo controlled double blind trials.
"What the hell is wrong with our diabetes, ADHD, Autism, etc., etc., rates amongst our kids?"
Vaccines absolutely do not cause these conditions. These claims have been studiously examined. This is like trying to answer, for the hundredth time, the charge that there are no transitional fossils or "If man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys."
Ok, maybe I was wrong about you.
How about this...
Do you know where the funding for new drug studies come from? If they were funded by pharmaceutical companies would that change your blind faith in the objectivity of said science?
You do realize that there are many instances of where the drug company funded science was skewed, misrepresented and cherry picked to achieve a result don't you? So while I have faith in scientific methodology I don't have faith in what we are being fed in the name of science by drug companies. Clearly not all of it is flawed but enough to make me question it.
Here I thought that those who doggedly defend the science behind new drugs were possessed a creationist mindset and people like me who were asking for objective proof were heretics.
Vaccinations should be banned.
Anyone who tries to force someone else to get a shot should be sent to prison, and their assets distributed to anti vaccination organizations.
You are saying that the flu is a serious disease? Much more terrible than possible side effects from taking flu shots every single year for your entire life? Is chicken pox a serious deadly disease too? Maybe you should do a little research.
You guys are aware that pharmaceutical companies make obscene amounts of money selling vaccines to the nation. Would mandatory flu shots be something they strive for because they care about us or because they want money... hmm....
dummy wrote:
You guys are aware that pharmaceutical companies make obscene amounts of money selling vaccines to the nation. Would mandatory flu shots be something they strive for because they care about us or because they want money... hmm....
And here we are a decade later…