EXACT details on Jim Drews and Wisco?

course was soft and the lower loop was soggy.

Angus Young shoot yourself. We are all dumber with that damn post. Seriously "was Teg doing a tempo," ya think. I mean he ran sub 24 his first college race. Yes, it was a tempo and Wisco will be top 4 at Nationals if healthy for the most part. Get a clue.

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Angus Young shoot yourself. We are all dumber with that damn post. Seriously "was Teg doing a tempo," ya think. I mean he ran sub 24 his first college race. Yes, it was a tempo and Wisco will be top 4 at Nationals if healthy for the most part. Get a clue.

Observer,

You're actually quite stupid. I don't think asking if Teg was doing a tempo is that out there. I mean, when has Wisconsin ever sent their #1 guy to a race to get his ass KICKED by another runner from the same conference. Do think Downin, Cassiano, and other Wisco greats would have ever entered a race with the attitude, "Oh well, it's only Drews, and this is only a workout. Hmm hmm hmm." Honestly, I am quite confused as to why Jerry would have him do this. I think every race has real potential to be a learning experience, which finds ultimate use in the big dances.

And as a sidenote, I'm really not sure if Teg is really THAT GOOD that he could just do a tempo on such a soft course in such a fast time. I know his times and talent; shit, I'm NOWHERE near him even at his tempo pace, but I am a big fan of talent when I see it. Consider this, for a truly beneficial tempo run, you should really not be that out of it after your finished. In fact, the whole point of it is to let your body run as close to that anaerobic threshold as possible, without ever going over. As soon as you go over, your muscles start producing an overdose of muscle-damaging lactic acid. And tempo runs should also be run (pacewise) quite consistently. So, back to my point, why anyone would enter a competition with the idea of a tempo workout is beyond me. To say the least, I'm very surprised a runner of that caliber would do it. And if nothing else, it certainly takes something away from A. Carlson's performance. It makes it almost seem like it was given to him. F that. He muscled his way to that victory.

How does everyone else feel about this stuff? What should be said when top runners get beat, and then rumors start about them doing a tempo in the race? What's really too bad is that Teg, in a way, is going to be associated with all the shit that gets written on this board.

He was definately doing a tempo or some sort of workout.

The Wisconsin guys never went with the leaders and never looked fatigued. They were tempoing for sure

OK...They were doing a tempo. BUT WHY??? The points system for DI is so messed. Was Wisconsin just saving their status by DNFing all those guys? If so, how bushleague is that?! In my opinion, Wisconsin is definately comparable to Colorado and Stanford on a good day, so why have they been running like this all season (Roy Griak, Drews...)? And I still have a problem with runners like Teg getting beat in races they should be winning, and copping out in a tempo. But, I guess that doesn't mean shit. After all, if he turns it on at Nat's, a non-victory at Drews doesn't mean much. Something about it just doesn't make sense though.

Screw it. I'll just ask it. Who honestly and consciously allows himself to get beat in a race they ought to win by opting for a tempo pace? Hell, run the damned tempo run before or after the race, and then just watch it!

I have to agree. But so far you can't argue with the success Schumacher has had since he's been there. Three Big 10 titles in three years and no lower than 6th at NCAA's. But with the talent he has now the pressure is a little higher. The next four years will say a lot.

Personally I do agree with not running a single high quality big meet before Big 10's. 15 years ago when the last Wisconsin team won a national title they ran only one meet before Big 10's and it was an easy meet with Penn State, Minnesota, and a bunch D3 schools. These days you have Griak, Pre-Nats, and so on, but they really don't mean a thing come November. Minnesota is good but Wisconsin should be expected not to have a trememendous time beating them if they ran full strength.

As far as this tempo run stuff, why not run a B-Team with some other guys, let them race, and have the other guys stay home and do a workout? Can you imagine what a typical college AD would say to handing out travel money to send guys to a meet where they lose on purpose? I wonder how he get's around that?

OF course its all about winning Big 10 titles and doing well at nationals but they're spending a lot of money sending guys around to meets (even if its just a short drive to LaCrosse and MInnesota) to stay in a hotel and drop out of races. Plus it isn't very respectful to the host schools who want to put on a legitimate competition.

Jerry has to run the team in a certain number of races in order to retain D1 and Big10 elligibility so, what's wrong with approaching it from a different perspective. I'm sure it would be different if there were 5-6k races for men. Running several 8 and 10 k races before Big10s can be damaging to your championship results. Especially if your team is made up of some guys who are more 1500m-3000m types.

KB

Carlson and McComb ran the race as a tempo as well. In fact, I heard the entire race was run as a tempo by everyone.

Schumacher did the B-team thing, in essence, at Griak. As to Jim Drews, my main question would be how healthy are the big dogs, if they're not going all out (a hypothetical there, based on other posts)? Also, thanks to roster limits, there's not exactly a "B-team" out there for the Badgers to use. There's the guys in development, some of who did ran in both Griak and Drews.

As far as "legitimate competition," I'd agree in theory, although I've seen some DIII races where they weren't all that happy to have DI in the mix.