Plain and simple. Quit reading things into it that aren't there.
You make the standard, you're in the meet.
The only adjustment that will be made is if the number of entries is small.
Plain and simple. Quit reading things into it that aren't there.
You make the standard, you're in the meet.
The only adjustment that will be made is if the number of entries is small.
Ok, so we make the standard and we're in the meet.
But has anybody heard of any sort of new format for rounds or heats or something?
I mean, like the OP says, we are seeing double or more the size of fields that previous years had.
That one poster's comment on the two heats of 10k sounds like a terrible idea, but one that wouldn't be surprising knowing USATF's standard logic.
So, how many of these guys do you think will actually enter AND show up for the race?
27:16.99 Abdi Abdirahman
27:36.99 Galen Rupp
27:46.33 Jorge Torres
27:48.06 Scotty Bauhs
27:50.48 Fasil Bizuneh
27:52.10 Ed Moran
27:54.41 Josh Rohatinsky
27:58.81 Jim Carney
27:59.31 Adam Goucher
28:03.72 Sean Quigley
28:05.31 Dathan Ritzenhein
28:05.49 Dan Browne
28:06.74 Bobby Curtis
28:16.47 Ian Dobson
28:19.48 Matt Downin
28:20.57 Michael Kilburg
28:21.42 Stephen Haas
28:22.25 Josh Simpson
28:23.09 Westly Keating
28:25.56 Seth Pilkington
28:26.61 Louis Luchini
28:26.75 Matt Withrow
28:27.79 Brett Gotcher
28:28.44 Meb Keflezighi
28:28.52 John Moore
28:29.95 Tim Nelson
28:29.96 Joe Driscoll
28:31.08 Josh Moen
28:31.33 James Strang
28:31.37 Rob Koborsi
28:33.08 Jeremy Johnson
28:33.25 Daniel Kanyaruhuru
28:33.89 Ed Torres
28:34.19 Mohamed Khadraoui
28:35.01 Sergio Reyes
28:35.36 Forest Braden
28:41.96 Mike Eaton
28:43.87 Jon Pierce
28:49.77 Matt Clark
28:49.96 Chris Pannone
28:50.87 Hari Mix
28:51.96 Dan Nunn
28:53.09 Celedonio Rodriguez
28:54.54 Jeff Gaudette
28:55.68 David Jankowski
28:55.85 Tristan Colangelo
28:56.05 Jake Schmitt
28:58.48 Ryan Sheehan
29:00.12 Christian Wagner
29:00.47 Antonio Vega
that list is outdated and should even include more names from this year.
Mike in LA wrote:
The entire note regarding adjustment of standards reads as follows:
The Sport Committee Chair may adjust the standards, where necessary, forty-five days prior to the competition, based on received entries at that time. Therefore, early submission of an entry close to the standards is advised.
Meeting the standard DOES guarantee you entry. If I run a 28:58 today and submit the time tomorrow I am in. 45 days before they may see that they have a large field and adjust the standard to 28:45. Everyone who has previously submitted times under the 29:01 standard are still in. If my friend ran the same race as me and ran a 28:47 but doesn't submit it before 45 days prior, he's out of luck, as is anyone else who happens to run 28:47 after the standard is adjusted.
So I know this is a GROSS exaggeration, but the logic that is presented in the note above does not make sense...at least to me. So let's say I run 3:44.99 and enter today. If they decide to change THE STANDARD tomorrow to 3:35.00, I'm still in, but others, who may have already run 3:36 or 3:37 but just didn't enter yet, are out?? Doesn't make sense to me.
Now obviously 3:35 is more an A standard and they would also have a B standard in such a case (probably?), but this situation could possible occur (albeit not in such an extreme case).
At the very least, these guys that are trying to represent the US at the World Championships are going to be subjected to more rounds if they take a bunch of 3:44.99 guys.
here's the 78 I came up with so far, in the 10k
Abdi Abdirahman
Adam Goucher
Ahmed Osman
Andrew Carlson
Anthony Famiglietti
Antonio Vega
Bobby Curtis
Brett Gotcher
Carlos Trujillo
Celedonio Rodriguez
Charlie Serrano
Chris Barnicle
Chris Pannone
Christian Wagner
Dan Browne
Dan Nunn
Daniel Gonia
Daniel Kanyaruhuru
Danny Mercado
Dathan Ritzenhein
David Jankowski
Diego Estrada
Diego Mercado
Ed Moran
Ed Torres
Fasil Bizuneh
Fernando Cabada
Forest Braden
Galen Rupp
Hari Mix
Ian Burrell
Ian Dobson
Jake Riley
Jake Schmitt
James Strang
Jeff Gaudette
Jeff Schirmer
Jeremy Johnson
Jesse Cherry
Jim Carney
Joe Driscoll
John Moore
Jon Pierce
Jonathan Grey
Jordan Kyle
Jorge Torres
Josh Moen
Josh Rohatinsky
Josh Simpson
Kiel Uhl
Louis Luchini
Lucas Meyer
Luke Puskedra
Matt Clark
Matt Downin
Matt Gabrielson
Matt Withrow
Meb Keflezighi
Michael Kilburg
Michael Krisch
Mike Eaton
Mike Sayenko
Mohamed Khadraoui
Patrick Smyth
Rob Koborsi
Ryan Sheehan
Ryan Sheridan
Scotty Bauhs
Sean Houseworth
Sean Quigley
Sergio Reyes
Seth Pilkington
Stephan Shay
Stephen Haas
Tim Nelson
Tristan Colangelo
Westly Keating
Yosef Ghebray
The qualifying period begins after the 1st day of last year's Olympic Trials. So that eliminates a number of athletes you have listed here.
It eliminates a number...but not that many. Probably 10-15...20 max?
Actually, the 10k qualifiers can be from Jan 08.... different standard than the other races. As long as it was run in 2008 or 2009, 10k times are good. Sooooo many people!
So, should athletes enter immediately before the committee decides to change the standard?
Standard %off the wr
100m 10.35 * 6.8%
200m 20.88 * 8.1%
400m 46.50 * 7.7%
800m 1:48.45 * 7.3%
1,500m 3:45.00** 9.2%
Mile 4:00.00** 7.5%
5,000m 13:52.00** 9.9%
10,000m 29:01.00** 10.4%
20 km Race Walk 1:36:00** who cares
3,000m Steeplechase 8:45.50** 11.1%
The distance standards should be
800-sub 1:47
1500-sub 3:40
5000-sub 13:30
10000-sub 28:00
steeple-sub 8:35
marathon-sub 2:16
The current standards are rediculously weak. If you are over 10% above the wr, you don't deserve to be at the national championships.
Why is there an A and B for women,and only one standard for men? and why is the womans standard so close together!? They might as well only have one with how close they are.
Good question
competition is not limited wrote:
Example:
Mens 10k has 29:00 qualifying time and a field size of 18.
They will run 2 heats (timed final) with the 18 fastest in the first heat. They will only count the fast heat. Meaning if the 19th seeded time runs faster than the winning time in the "seeded" heat it will NOT have anything to do with the official results.
A timed final is one with multiple heats, with "timed" meaning that all heats are compiled and compared on the basis of time, regardless of heat numbers.
What you described is a final with a consolation race for people who didn't qualify for the national championships.
and the season aint over, doesn't derrick for example have yet to run a 10K?
Looking at the meet schedule, they don't allow time for a "timed final" involving multiple heats..... looks like field size will be equivalent to the ones outlined for the women.
C'mon, it is the US championships, not the olympics. your "should be" standards don't need to be imposed. Besides you would be the first to gripe if you could even sniff 13:31
Bump
From the OP's link:
USATF wrote:
On May 21st, an adjustment to the qualifying standards for the men's triple jump and men's high jump for the U.S. Senior Championships, was posted on the USATF web-site. However, this action took place inside the required 45-day window that is called for in USATF procedures governing the National Championships.
Consequently, this revision is being rescinded - with the standards returning to those approved at the USATF Annual Meeting and posted originally on the USATF National Championships web-site. The standards will revert to: 15.44 meters in the men's triple jump and 2.16 meters in the men's high jump.
Now they are just messing with people on purpose...
This is the U.S. Championships. It is an "open" meet. It is not an elite European invitational. The standards are fine. Some of the people competing here may not be at the top level yet, but part of getting there is to experience this meet, so that when they are at that point, they are not showing up for this meet for the first time.
What the hell is wrong with the Sports Committe and with CEO Logan? A few months ago, they make recommendations and bellicose proclamations about how they are going to shorten the next Olympic Trials allowing for smaller fields in order to help the athletes. Now, they come out with this exactly opposite plan for the USATF World Game trials. This is the kind of bs that shows USATF for what they are, a bunch of mindless politicos.
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