WOW!You actually think that the power developed from running *UPhill* is LESS effective in developing form, power, stride length,and endurance, than running *DOWNhill*!!! This is like saying that getting punched in the face will teach you to throw a better JAB than actually hitting the bag a few thousand times. OR doing bench presses face down will make you stronger because throwing the weights downward teaches your arms speed, snap, and the extension needed to properly toss UP the weghts! WOW! and I mean freaking HOLY EFFING WOW!For review, this is the statements to which I responded:***Running on an incline is helpful in maitaining power output but it won't help you keep a long stride for long distances.Downhill running is much much more effective in helping you to maintain a long stride for long distances as well as giving you fatigue resistance that you can't get from resistance work.****Come on... **helpful in maintaining power output but it won't help you keep a long stride***How in the hell does that make any sense? What does it even mean?In a proper plan to race fast you should do all sorts of running, even some downhill, but if you screw up such a basic prioritization as downhill and uphill and the benefits of such, well, I think you need to step back from what you know and examine what the best in the world are doing. Go to Africa, I'll bet they are doing a whole bunch more UP hill workouts than downhill workouts.If you are a developed runner you should already be athletic. I learned to run as a 3 year old, and I ran a bunch as a kid, playing other sports, and just being a kid, I did not have to learn body positions, and I am not odd. MOST, if not ALL, kids know how to run, you need no person to teach you form or function. Running is NATURAL, we are freaking built to run and run fast. POWER can be improved, power will help produce speed and endurance much more than the form supposedly learned from running downhill.Downhill running has its place, but it sure ain't before uphill running.
808 wrote:
Uphill running is better for stride length.
Running is a series of short jumps, not a series of stretches.
Running downhill may help other things but not stride length.[/quote]
Body control plays a large role in running fast. Sure running up hills helps build a powerful stride, but it doesn't teach you to open up and use that powerful stride like downhill running does. IMO, you need both. Uphill running to develop the legs and downhill running to teach your body to relax while running fast.[/quote]
Mike, sorry but you are just wrong, you are completely missing the point of why downhill running can help develop stride length much better than uphill running can.
Yes we all know how to run, but running fast for a long period of time is something else entirely. Have you ever heard of neuromuscular co-ordination? It's what governs every movement you make. All of these movements are developed as skills, you have to practice the skill to improve, which is why Haile runs on a treadmill and why Seb Coe practiced running 6x800 on a slight downhill with a following breeze. Because by practising a longer stride for longer periods, you can run faster in a race. In fact, much of the skill from running dowhill, will actually help you run faster uphill.
You got that? read it a few times until you do get it.
Why can't you just run up the hill some days and down the hill others?
It depends if there is an r in the month.
Stride length over time is most effected by your fitness level, not your coordination.
Uphill is better than downhill in regards to building fitness.
Coe could've done everything he ever did without ever doing a downhill workout,
but without uphill...wellnow
downhill is lettering on the frosting
uphill is cake
That's the popular perception, but I'm sure it's wrong.
Let me put it another way:
If you run 12x 400 at your target 5k pace and gradually increase to 6x 800 at the same pace and then 6x 1000 at the same pace, that is the same kind of progression that you could get from improving your downhill running. Both methods are essentially the same type of focus, improving your skill at maintaining the pace.
But it may help you maintain your enthusiasm and motivation if you do both types of training, rather than just focussing on one.
Uphill and downhill are different types of training, both with different effects. The most important development is neural, not aerobic or anaerobic, because the neural development takes much much longer, whilst aerobic and anaerobic development are very easy to achieve, and in most cases we already have those developments.
I know this flies in the face of what you have learned, but that is simply because the vast majority of the training info is put forward by coaches and physiologists who have no awareness of neural development(skill development) or very little awareness. Haile Gebreselassie is not so ignorant.
it looks like Haile's running on a flat treadmill, so what's your point? HG does all running downhill? Baloney! a runner such as he is one in a billion; he's just exploiting his prodigious innate talent, not some "skill" training 99.99% of other runners have somehow missed. come on, now.
wellnow, I am tending to disagree with SOME of your statements. I do believe that uphill running work stresses the cardiovascular system far more than downhill running. Uphill running work will in turn increase your VO2 Max and Lactate Threshold, furthermore than downhill running ever would. However, downhill running does develop power and muscular strength more so than uphill running. Why? In downhill running, one is eccentrically working the legs causing more microscopic tears which will heal and further accelerate strength. The problem is that it takes longer to recovery from a bout of downhill running than uphill running.
The impact of roads and the treadmill, of course, will vary depending on the joints and feet. So as soon as possible when the weather outside tries to run a better alternative to running on teuredeumil.
I am riding with others in the same boat and just about training for a marathon every day, so running out teojineitda eyes. Interval of the slope and increase your speed and is maintaining. You can bear it into the increase in height, road conditions, it is the only thing that will get close to the simulation.
Otherwise, you're really, even if you are not running while you are running it on the front of the arm-length distance from teuredeumil said. If the middle or near a treadmill, try again. With this information, any questions email us hope this will help.
djäveln wrote:
it looks like Haile's running on a flat treadmill, so what's your point? HG does all running downhill? Baloney! a runner such as he is one in a billion; he's just exploiting his prodigious innate talent, not some "skill" training 99.99% of other runners have somehow missed. come on, now.
Running on a flat treadmill is similar to a slight downhill in effort because there is no wind resistance.
There is also much less wind resistance at altitude, so Haile can do 1000m reps in a similar speed to sea level training, even though there is 25% less oxygen at 8000ft.
djäveln wrote:
Running on a flat treadmill is similar to a slight downhill in effort because there is no wind resistance.
There is also much less wind resistance at altitude, so Haile can do 1000m reps in a similar speed to sea level training, even though there is 25% less oxygen at 8000ft.
False. Try again.
LOngrunner wrote:
gebreselassie runs on the treadmill 5 times a week... and he holds the wr for the marathon. So is treadmill running actually an efficient way to train?
Could be. Remember Kristiansen's training?