New HEPS thread for 2009

any princeton kids out there? wrote:

Does anyone know if Maag and Sitler are healthy, or why they havent raced yet this year? Are they hurt, or just waiting till HYP's? If princeton is gonna take home the indoor title they are gonna need these two guys to really come through.

Sitler is spending the year in Oxford.

Tigerfan wrote:

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Does anyone know if Maag and Sitler are healthy, or why they havent raced yet this year? Are they hurt, or just waiting till HYP's? If princeton is gonna take home the indoor title they are gonna need these two guys to really come through.

Sitler is spending the year in Oxford.[/quote]

Is he going to fly in for Indoor Heps???

Cornell at the Armory this weekend (Virginia et al.) and also hosting one of its home invitationals.

I wouldn't be surprised if they held some people out of the Armory meet. They've had two high-powered meets in a row (Harvard Select meet, followed by PSU/BIG) and it's atypical for them to go really hard three weeks in a row. Next week they've got their usual home tuneup meet--some of the distance guys generally stay out of that, IIRC--and then the Heps.

I'm not sure what's up this year, but agree with other posters that a fair number of people seem to be MIA. And it's not just Cornell and Princeton with people (M&W) who've competed little or not at all--almost every school seems to have people missing. (Hurt? Sick? Off team? Anybody have a clue?)

Also, it's really looking less and less like another dual meet. The rest of the Ivies (combined) seem to have almost all the events covered by top performers. I'm a lousy predictor, but think the winning scores will be considerably lower this year than in the recent past.

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Does anybody have a seasonal-performance list for the Heptagonals? Somebody had a link a couple of years ago, but I can't find it now...

Hey BRF, you might be the most annoying poster on this entire message board. And we all know that says a LOT.

BRF sux wrote:

Hey BRF, you might be the most annoying poster on this entire message board. And we all know that says a LOT.

Hey, when you're right, you're right.

I hardly ever post except on Ivy threads, though, so if you just avoid those you should be okay.

Seriously does any one know what the deal is wih Maag? Is he hurt? Unless he gets a good 3k this week he will have to run out of the slow heat at heps. But if healthy I would assume he would go for a NCAA qualifier.

Also at this point in the season would Princeton be the favorite over cornell? with merrill seabroke halim all gone cornell lost some real fire power. and who should pick up the scraps to get third.

HYP this weekend.

BRF wrote:

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Does anybody have a seasonal-performance list for the Heptagonals? Somebody had a link a couple of years ago, but I can't find it now...

urgh a music war wrote:

http://www.directathletics.com/lists/track/55_389.html

Thanks for the link! Based on that list, Princeton men look very strong in the field and thinner than I expected on the track. Dartmouth and (especially) Yale guys could score a bunch; ditto Brown women.

any predictions for heps? Cornell should fight it out with princeton for 1st but after that?

Cornell is looking good. Is this Canaday's and Wyner's fifth year? If so, how do you do that in the Ivy League?

FBR wrote:

Is this Canaday's and Wyner's fifth year? If so, how do you do that in the Ivy League?

I've wondered the same thing. Are they using some loophole similar to the one True is? If so, what is it, exactly?

Anyway, if they have True double (or more?), Dartmouth has a lot of scoring potential from him alone. But they have a number of other probable scorers and I'm guessing them and Yale battling for 3rd and 4th spots. (Only a guess, because apparently the performances list is incomplete.)

For the women, looks like the top three (in some order) would be Brown/Cornell/Princeton, but a tossup for fourth--Columbia, maybe? Harvard has some individuals who should score very high...

HYP results at

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=3670413&DB_OEM_ID=10600

and

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=3670517&DB_OEM_ID=10600

any news from the armory meet? cornell and columbia ran there today. true ran 7:59 at valentine.

virginia duals wrote:

any news from the armory meet? cornell and columbia ran there today. true ran 7:59 at valentine.

Cornell, Columbia, Penn, and Brown were all at the Armory in the "Virginia Duals" (so called--actually quad/pent meets). Cornell and Columbia were in one competition, I think, with Brown and Penn in the other. Other schools: UVA, Maryland, Lehigh, Rutgers, Wake Forest.

Results aren't up yet, but I heard that Wyner matched True's 7:59, Hine was 8:06ish, and Levy went ~1:51.

It'll be interesting to see how RoJo handles his entries for Heps. Do you keep guys out of the DMR, to try to maximize their chances for points in their individual event(s)? If so, who doubles? Which doubles?

I believe Penn beat the Brown women. Not sure whether Brown (or any team, actually) brought everybody or not. Cornell had a home meet and a lot of their people were there:

Oh yeah: Maduka jumped 6.70, a quarter-inch shy of 22ft.

Virigina Duals results:

http://ny.milesplit.us/meets/42869/results/84266

I'm not sure the results of the meet are going to change much from last year. Cornell and Princeton will fight it out at the top, Yale recently has emerged as a consistent best of the rest, and everybody else is a coin toss (although Harvard is probably near the bottom). Penn it appears has no throwers, which means unfortunately they can't really do much better than 4th or 5th. They will need both sprinters running well (Benjamin and Brown) as well as the young middies. I'm still waiting for the Bryan Scotland breakthrough; can we get Robin Martin to be his motivational coach ?

There will be a lot of teams between 40 and 60 points, but Cornell and Princeton will be way up there like last year.

Tigerfan wrote:

HYP results at

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=3670413&DB_OEM_ID=10600

and

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=3670517&DB_OEM_ID=10600

Thanks for the links, Tigerfan.

A big win for the Harvard women over Princeton--tons of points from H's seniors and frosh. And the Princeton men had an impressive win, despite a lot of competitive performances from Yale.

Great analysis (sarcasm).

There's one thing that mattered from the HYP meet.

Michael Maag 4:05

Princeton's got the title locked up on the men's side.